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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8001862" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You can &quot;beat&quot; on me all you want. That doesn't change the fact that an easy 50% of the time the advice on playing a sorcerer is to take 3 levels then get out. And, any class can multi-class and some of those combos are very powerful (Warlock Paladin for example, or Life Cleric and Druid) but each class also has multiple competive builds within it, and so the multi-classing doesn't even come up as an option most of the time. When someone says &quot;How do I build the best Cleric&quot; no one's first answer is &quot;multi-class out of it&quot; I also love how you want to claim that the multi-class build &quot;has all the same options&quot; when it has fewer sorcery points by half than a pure sorcerer, and no access to third level spells yet. But also gained ritual caster (going tome), find familiar, and melee cantrips like Shillelagh or Primal Savagery to balance them out, and at-will abilities from the invocations.This sounds good on paper, but the thing is, making decisions on the spot is only good if you can make the right decision. A low level sorcerer gets ONE chance to affect the battle. If they picked the right spell, the right metamagic, or converted the points to slots at the right time, then they can do something no one else could do. But if they quickened fireball and didn't need to, then they don't have that Twin Polymorph for the really tough fight. Sure, as a wizard you are somewhat less flexible. Your spell slots are set and you don't have metamagic. You do have rituals, a way to gain back spell slots and your class abilities along with far more spell options, but once the battle is underway you have fewer decisions to make. It is mostly &quot;do I cast this spell or that spell&quot; While a sorcerer is deciding &quot;do I cast this spell or that spell, can I afford to spent metamagic on this, if I end up converting these slots that I might not need then when the next fight comes around....&quot; Because, if you make the wrong call, you are weaker for the rest of the day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8001862, member: 6801228"] You can "beat" on me all you want. That doesn't change the fact that an easy 50% of the time the advice on playing a sorcerer is to take 3 levels then get out. And, any class can multi-class and some of those combos are very powerful (Warlock Paladin for example, or Life Cleric and Druid) but each class also has multiple competive builds within it, and so the multi-classing doesn't even come up as an option most of the time. When someone says "How do I build the best Cleric" no one's first answer is "multi-class out of it" I also love how you want to claim that the multi-class build "has all the same options" when it has fewer sorcery points by half than a pure sorcerer, and no access to third level spells yet. But also gained ritual caster (going tome), find familiar, and melee cantrips like Shillelagh or Primal Savagery to balance them out, and at-will abilities from the invocations. This sounds good on paper, but the thing is, making decisions on the spot is only good if you can make the right decision. A low level sorcerer gets [B][U]ONE[/U][/B] chance to affect the battle. If they picked the right spell, the right metamagic, or converted the points to slots at the right time, then they can do something no one else could do. But if they quickened fireball and didn't need to, then they don't have that Twin Polymorph for the really tough fight. Sure, as a wizard you are somewhat less flexible. Your spell slots are set and you don't have metamagic. You do have rituals, a way to gain back spell slots and your class abilities along with far more spell options, but once the battle is underway you have fewer decisions to make. It is mostly "do I cast this spell or that spell" While a sorcerer is deciding "do I cast this spell or that spell, can I afford to spent metamagic on this, if I end up converting these slots that I might not need then when the next fight comes around...." Because, if you make the wrong call, you are weaker for the rest of the day. [/QUOTE]

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