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<blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 8002445" data-attributes="member: 6802951"><p>It looks like you have some misapprehensions that may have lead you to argue from a false premise.</p><p> Only if you assume there there were no situations throughout the day that a wizard could use their ritual spells for. Each ritual opportunity is effectively an extra spell cast by the wizard compared to the sorceror.</p><p></p><p> OK, lets break down the mistakes here and then move into how they affect the argument.</p><p>A 5th level wizard has <em><strong>14</strong></em> spells in their spellbook, and probably 9 prepared.</p><p>This allows you to have a selection of utility spells that are available to cast as rituals and so do not eat into your prepared spells, as well as allowing you to cast them in some situations without spending a spell slot.</p><p>So the wizard has this secondary pool of spells like Identify, Find Familiar, Comprehend languages and can add any uses of them to their daily spell capability without reducing the spell slots available to cast other spells. Even spells that the wizard has prepared like Detect Magic can also be cast for free if time is not an issue.</p><p></p><p> Druids and Clerics can only ritual cast spells that they actually have prepared. A wizard does not need to have a spell prepared to cast it as a ritual, just to have it in their spellbook.</p><p>If the situation is one that allows the party to just wait a day, that is when the Druid and Cleric have the advantage.</p><p></p><p> A quick application of the power of <span style="color: rgb(147, 101, 184)">mathematics</span> might blow your mind here:</p><p><em>A sorceror that swaps spells every level will still have known less spells <strong>ever </strong>than a wizard of the same level, - and the wizard still has access to all of them.</em></p><p>Boom.<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤯" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f92f.png" title="Exploding head :exploding_head:" data-shortname=":exploding_head:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /></p><p></p><p> I think that they thought they were taking the best-case example. A metamagic effect will often have more use than simply upcasting a spell by one level. Obviously this can depend on the spells the sorceror has available however. (Extra d6 on a fireball is rarely worth it. An extra target in a Hold Person might be.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cap'n Kobold, post: 8002445, member: 6802951"] It looks like you have some misapprehensions that may have lead you to argue from a false premise. Only if you assume there there were no situations throughout the day that a wizard could use their ritual spells for. Each ritual opportunity is effectively an extra spell cast by the wizard compared to the sorceror. OK, lets break down the mistakes here and then move into how they affect the argument. A 5th level wizard has [I][B]14[/B][/I] spells in their spellbook, and probably 9 prepared. This allows you to have a selection of utility spells that are available to cast as rituals and so do not eat into your prepared spells, as well as allowing you to cast them in some situations without spending a spell slot. So the wizard has this secondary pool of spells like Identify, Find Familiar, Comprehend languages and can add any uses of them to their daily spell capability without reducing the spell slots available to cast other spells. Even spells that the wizard has prepared like Detect Magic can also be cast for free if time is not an issue. Druids and Clerics can only ritual cast spells that they actually have prepared. A wizard does not need to have a spell prepared to cast it as a ritual, just to have it in their spellbook. If the situation is one that allows the party to just wait a day, that is when the Druid and Cleric have the advantage. A quick application of the power of [COLOR=rgb(147, 101, 184)]mathematics[/COLOR] might blow your mind here: [I]A sorceror that swaps spells every level will still have known less spells [B]ever [/B]than a wizard of the same level, - and the wizard still has access to all of them.[/I] Boom.🤯 I think that they thought they were taking the best-case example. A metamagic effect will often have more use than simply upcasting a spell by one level. Obviously this can depend on the spells the sorceror has available however. (Extra d6 on a fireball is rarely worth it. An extra target in a Hold Person might be.) [/QUOTE]
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