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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8002458" data-attributes="member: 7019027">Sure, it's extra out-of-combat utility. I'll never argue that Ritual Casting is bad or unhelpful but holding it on a pedestal as if Detect Magic for free makes a sorcerer weak in comparison is not true. A wizard is allowed to be useful and unique in the game. I miscalculated and they're stronger than I had given credit but that's fine. That doesn't make a sorcerer weaker. Because while a wizard can continually "cast ritual spells forever," they need to be in a situation where it's helpful, otherwise it's a waste of time. They also can't ritual cast combat-effective spells outside of the very expensive "Find Familiar." Yes, it's both good and flavorful but a boss encounter isn't ended any faster with any of their rituals, with a little chance for Find Familiar. And a wizard just usually isn't going to keep casting rituals unless they're sure they'll find something. It's fairly easy to prepare ritual spells, but sure. A wizard always has access to his ritual spells.Sure, but that's not the sorcerer's source of power. It's from their ability to cast non-ritual, combat spells more powerful and potentially more often than a wizard. I also wasn't going to bring up how easy it is to get Ritual Caster as a feat and just copy the spells from your wizard's spellbook, taking that whole unique schtick with the wizard in one feat. Of course, it's a feat investment, but of ritual casting is such a bane to sorcerers, why wouldn't they just be V. Human and grab it at level 1 or grab it at level 4 before any of the real rituals have come back online.For AoE, remember it's an extra d6 per target when comparing the total target. A fireball has an expected 4 targets and has a total damage of 112. Upcasting it with that many targets does an extra (1d6*4) spread evenly across the target, doing a total of 126 damage. Is it worth it, then? Maybe. But again, I cannot make these judgements without context. Metamagic is unique, useful, and depends on the situation.</blockquote>

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