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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Asisreo" data-source="post: 8002605" data-attributes="member: 7019027">You're being inconsistent is metamagic bad or being close to a wizard bad? It can't be both.As opposed to the equal class feature that the wizard actually doesn't get. Their is no 3rd level class feature for a wizard, the sorcerer has the leg-up in this argument. I've already recognized my mistake with this, so I'll drop it.Yes, but you see how you're choosing a single narrative and then make it seem weak when you're misrepresenting the entirety of the feature. 4 2nd-level spells. Or maybe the Con proficiency and proficiency with leather armor. Or the extra cantrips. Or, y'know, the flavor. And sorcerers dominate the combat half. Because it's okay that not all spellcasters are wizards. Witchbolt is a unique type of spell that does autodamage after one successful hit. It's garbage. You know those "being unique doesn't make you good" things? Yeah, that's metamagic. C'mon, you're so close. Metamagic and font of magic is meant to be considered alongside each other. They are the two sides of the same coin that you get to choose. Like Ki and flurry vs step of the wind vs stunning strike. I feel like you both understand and don't understand. You are so right about all the stuff they can do but so wrong about having to stay in their lane. There's nothing saying that after casting a 3rd 2nd-level spell, they cannot pull from spellslots to fuel metamagic as well. It's crazy how firmly you stand on this one-or-the-other hill as if it is such a valiant position to hold, because it's just wrong. I have a limited amount of money. I have food in my fridge. I can buy takeout. I can use my food in the fridge to feed me, or I can use my money to buy takeout. Or I can use my money to buy more food for my fridge. They all take up the same pool but I get to choose based on the situation and my personal disposition. What's crazy, though, is that I can buy more food for the fridge and still have money for takeout. Because I don't have to commit if I don't want to. I get a say in what I buy. It's basic economics. I've never said short rests are rare. This entire time, I've been comparing a rested wizard with a sorcerer that hasn't rested. Like someone else said, imagine being a wizard but you could also enhance your spells with arcane recovery, as if it's a channel divinity.Except you would have never gotten that slot at that level had you not done that. And diminishing returns is a balance thing, a sorcery point to spell slots change based on which way you're converting. But you might need the 4th level slot more.It's how pawning or returning an item works. You get less than what you bought. But people pawn things off because they needed the lesser money more than the pawned item. But you do have more higher level spell slots possible. It's possible. Maybe you don't like it, but it's been very helpful to me.Is resource management such an infringement on your playstyle that you can't fathom opportunity cost? Is making choices so egregiously flawed design that you think sorcery points should only be metamagic? And that's it? It's just hard to fathom that giving you more options with your resources just does so much wrong in your eyes. Like I said, Paladin's divine smite competes with spellcasting but it's not a bad feature because it competes. Another place where you're so close yet you don't quite get it. You can just adapt to your metamagic choices. Here, I'll choose twinned and empowered. Now that I've chosen those, I'll lean more into single target spells like Haste, Invisibility and Fly as well as AoE's like Fireball and shatter. And I can do the twinning and the empowering but if I don't need to, I can focus on manipulating my spell slots how I wish. I don't intend on hurting or attacking you, it's just that it feels like talking to someone that just barely misses my points. I hope you can complete your responsibilities and have a wonderful day.</blockquote>

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