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<blockquote data-quote="Dragonhelm" data-source="post: 5808241" data-attributes="member: 3867">While I like the sorcerer class, there has been little to differentiate it from the wizard.&nbsp; In 3e, they cast the same spells, and were differentiated only by a minor amount of fluff, and the ability to cast spells spontaneously.&nbsp; While I liked the idea of spells know, the magister class in Arcana Unearthed proved that the two classes could be effectively combined into one.Pathfinder added the bloodlines, which is cool, but the sorcerer still uses wizard spells.&nbsp; Essentially, it's a variant wizard.I like the 4e approach a lot better, but I'm not sure the 4e sorcerer is as strong of an archetype as the wizard or warlock.&nbsp; My concern for 5e is that we will have 3 major arcane spellcasters, and that the sorcerer will get lost amongst the shuffle.It occurs to me that the sorcerer might function well as a subclass of the wizard, like what we see with the witch in 4e.&nbsp; However, I'm not sure that subclasses will remain.So what about themes?&nbsp; While I believe that themes can be broad (i.e. the noble), I also think they can be restricted by race or class.&nbsp; So what if the sorcerer was a theme for the wizard, where we show what type of wizard it is?&nbsp; So, for example, it may be an elemental/wild mage, or a bloodline mage, but in the end, still a wizard.Thoughts?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dragonhelm, post: 5808241, member: 3867"] While I like the sorcerer class, there has been little to differentiate it from the wizard. In 3e, they cast the same spells, and were differentiated only by a minor amount of fluff, and the ability to cast spells spontaneously. While I liked the idea of spells know, the magister class in Arcana Unearthed proved that the two classes could be effectively combined into one. Pathfinder added the bloodlines, which is cool, but the sorcerer still uses wizard spells. Essentially, it's a variant wizard. I like the 4e approach a lot better, but I'm not sure the 4e sorcerer is as strong of an archetype as the wizard or warlock. My concern for 5e is that we will have 3 major arcane spellcasters, and that the sorcerer will get lost amongst the shuffle. It occurs to me that the sorcerer might function well as a subclass of the wizard, like what we see with the witch in 4e. However, I'm not sure that subclasses will remain. So what about themes? While I believe that themes can be broad (i.e. the noble), I also think they can be restricted by race or class. So what if the sorcerer was a theme for the wizard, where we show what type of wizard it is? So, for example, it may be an elemental/wild mage, or a bloodline mage, but in the end, still a wizard. Thoughts? [/QUOTE]

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