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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Al'Kelhar" data-source="post: 1380358" data-attributes="member: 7884">Khaalis,I think with bonus metamagic feats useable n times a day, having metamagic feats not adding to casting time, and assorted other nuances, we're at risk of:(a) making the sorcerer too complex(b) making the sorcerer too powerful.Making the sorcerer an arcane spellcaster who spontaneously manifests arcane powers by sticking to a particular theme is a sufficient differentiator from wizards.Remember, no-one's said the sorcerer sucks as a core class.  There is a perception that it's a little weaker than the other core classes.  You've already increased its power substantially by:(a)  increasing Hit Dice to d6;(b)  giving light armour proficiency;(c)  increasing skill points to 4 + Int bonus;(d)  increasing the number of class skills;(e)  increasing the number of spells known per level.The core class needs nothing more.  Add anything more, and start taking some of the above away, otherwise you have a class that's not balanced against the other classes.Having now slept on my suggestion from last night, I'd like to make it a bit clearer:At 1st level, every sorcerer must choose an "Affinity" - which subsumes those concepts previously termed "herdity" and "spell path".  I have no problem with the 25 or so you've proposed from other sources, but let's just call them one thing for simplicity's sake.  I'll call them "Affinity" but I'm sure other wordsmiths can come up with something more appropriate.Each Affinity has five elements:1.  Description:  One or two sentences which state the underlying theme or concept of the Affinity.  For example, the Blood of Dragons description might simply be "The blood of dragons courses through your veins, imbuing you with arcane power".  The description must be short and general enough to permit the player and DM to determine specifics themselves.2.  Limitations:  Any limitations on who can take the Affinity.  For example, if there is an Affinity called "Demonspawn" (you have some evil outsider blood), it might have an alignment limitation; as might an Affinity called "Touched by the Divine".  An Affinity called "Elfchild" might have a race limitation. Etc.3.  Benefit:  Like cleric Domain Powers, each Affinity grants the sorcerer a specific game-related benefit, such as a bonus language, additional class skills, bonuses to some skills, a bonus feat, +1 caster level for Affinity spells, or some spell-like ability or supernatural power.  As for cleric Domain Powers, the benefit must be balanced against the utility of the Affinity spells and any Affinity limitations.4.  Affinity Spells:  One spell of each level, including 0-level.  These spells are automatically known by the sorcerer on attaining the necessary caster level.5.  Innate Abilities:  At 2nd level, the sorcerer can use their 0-level Affinity spell as a spell-like ability 3 times/day.  The sorcerer can elect to keep the spell in their list of known spells, or change it for another of equal level.  If they elect to keep it in their list of known spells, they can use it as a spell-like ability more than 3 times/day, but each additional use "consumes" one of the sorcerer's 0-level spell slots for the day.At 7th level, the sorcerer can use their 1st level Affinity spell as a spell-like ability 3 times/day.  They can also keep it on their list of known 1st level spells, or exchange it for another, as for the 0-level Innate Ability.At 13th level, the sorcerer can use their 2nd level Affinity spell as a spell-like ability 3 times/day.  Keep as known spell or exchange as for 0-level.At 19th level, the sorcerer can use their 3rd level Affinity spell as a spell-like ability 3 times/day.  Keep as known spell or exchange as for 0-level.Cheers, Al'Kelhar</blockquote>

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