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<blockquote data-quote="fuindordm" data-source="post: 1391876" data-attributes="member: 5435">Yes, but then you have an invisibility spell that lasts rounds instead of minutes and is useless for recon.&nbsp; In very few of these &quot;natural evolutions&quot;does a higher-level spell simply add extra function onto the lower-levelspell--usually each does something the other can't.However, I don't think knowing invis + improved invis is really worth it for asorcerer, I agree.&nbsp; Really it's like 1.5 spells known in terms of value, not 2 spells known.And I don't think it's any more complicated than introducing spell-like abilities or item familars.BTW, having the sorcerers more likely to take item familiars is a great idea.I guess its fair to say that in a campaign where every class has at least4 skill points/level, I'd be happy with the sorcerer having that as well.&nbsp; Butin the standard PH rules, I think they're on a par with the other 2 SP/levelclasses.In general, the classes with really potent class features get only 2 SP/level--I don't think it's just a &quot;self-taught/trained&quot; issue, more of a balancing and niche protection issue.--Ben</blockquote>

[QUOTE="fuindordm, post: 1391876, member: 5435"] Yes, but then you have an invisibility spell that lasts rounds instead of minutes and is useless for recon. In very few of these "natural evolutions" does a higher-level spell simply add extra function onto the lower-level spell--usually each does something the other can't. However, I don't think knowing invis + improved invis is really worth it for a sorcerer, I agree. Really it's like 1.5 spells known in terms of value, not 2 spells known. And I don't think it's any more complicated than introducing spell-like abilities or item familars. BTW, having the sorcerers more likely to take item familiars is a great idea. I guess its fair to say that in a campaign where every class has at least 4 skill points/level, I'd be happy with the sorcerer having that as well. But in the standard PH rules, I think they're on a par with the other 2 SP/level classes. In general, the classes with really potent class features get only 2 SP/level--I don't think it's just a "self-taught/trained" issue, more of a balancing and niche protection issue. --Ben [/QUOTE]

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