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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Grayhawk" data-source="post: 1396913" data-attributes="member: 11288">Some thoughts on the spontaneous metamagic issue:If this Sorcerer gains access to the UA Daily Use variant as a class ability, how are the metamagic feats he buys with his normal feats handled?When making my own - only slightly altered - Sorcerer variant, I was trying to create an unique metamagic mechanic as a class ability, but I ended up rejecting most of my ideas, as I found that having to handle metamagic differently based upon where the ability came from, would be too complicated (for my taste, anyway).Besides, after giving some thought to the two UA spontaneous metamagic variants, I've decided I won't use any of them, as I feel that the best way to balance metamagic is how the core rules handle it.Thus, I decided that my Sorcerer variant has to both learn the metamagic feats by normal feat expenditure and has to suffer the increased casting time. Then I gave him a class ability that lets him use metamagic without the increased casting time a limited number of times per day. It even gives access to the Quicken feat:'Each day you can use your metamagic feats without an increase in casting time, as long as the combined level adjustments don't exceed your Cha bonus. Additional metamagic use increases casting time normally.'This could propably be better worded, but what it means, is that with this ability a Sorcerer with a Cha of 18 and the Still Spell feat, for example, can apply that feat 4 times per day without an increase in casting time. The spells so affected burn a higher level spell slot as  per normal metamagic rules.If he both had the Still and Silent feat, he could apply both to 2 spells per day, without an increase in casting time, etc.This makes it possible for a Sorcerer to use Quicken Spell as well, but with a Cha between 18 and 25 you would only be able to do it once per day. (And you's still have to burn a feat to be able to do so.)Khaalis, I guess this ability isn't beefy enough for your general Sorcerer, but what if you gave him some bonus metamagic feats to use it with, as well? Or does that smell too much like the Wizard's bonus feats?</blockquote>

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