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<blockquote data-quote="Buttercup" data-source="post: 1355277" data-attributes="member: 990">I don't feel like I'm qualified to judge balance without a playtest, so all my comments here should be taken with a grain of salt.&nbsp; Mostly, what I've been looking for is a way to replicate the kind of sorcerer that I know from the fantasy literature of certain authors.&nbsp; &nbsp;I agree that sorcerer spell lists should be limited, but I think those limitations should be strictly individual in nearly every case.&nbsp; For example, with the right bloodline, I would allow a sorcerer to take healing spells, but I would balance it by disallowing some other kind (dunno what at the moment).&nbsp; I wouldn't allow the fly and teleportation spells without taking something very powerful away, like maybe evocation spells.&nbsp; I would forbid an elementalist sorcerer from taking spells from the other three elements.&nbsp; Since sorcerers are untrained, I would eliminate many of the spells that are more &quot;bookish&quot; such as secret page. And so on.&nbsp; Maybe there is a way to codify this that we could all agree on, or maybe what is needed is just a list of suggestions for limiting spells to focus a theme.&nbsp;I haven't read any of the Darkover books by Marion Zimmer Bradley for over a decade, but during this whole discussion what keeps popping into my head is the idea that magic (she called it Laran, and it was really a sort of psionics) manifests differently for everyone.&nbsp; &nbsp;I think the goal should be to say:&nbsp; ok, a sorcerer gets X number of special abilities, and X number of spells, all of which should relate to the heritage the player chooses at first level.&nbsp;But as I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about, so pay more attention to the comments you get from experts.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Buttercup, post: 1355277, member: 990"] I don't feel like I'm qualified to judge balance without a playtest, so all my comments here should be taken with a grain of salt. Mostly, what I've been looking for is a way to replicate the kind of sorcerer that I know from the fantasy literature of certain authors. I agree that sorcerer spell lists should be limited, [b]but[/b] I think those limitations should be strictly individual in nearly every case. For example, with the right bloodline, I would allow a sorcerer to take healing spells, but I would balance it by disallowing some other kind (dunno what at the moment). I wouldn't allow the fly and teleportation spells without taking something very powerful away, like maybe evocation spells. I would forbid an elementalist sorcerer from taking spells from the other three elements. Since sorcerers are untrained, I would eliminate many of the spells that are more "bookish" such as secret page. And so on. Maybe there is a way to codify this that we could all agree on, or maybe what is needed is just a list of suggestions for limiting spells to focus a theme. I haven't read any of the Darkover books by Marion Zimmer Bradley for over a decade, but during this whole discussion what keeps popping into my head is the idea that magic (she called it Laran, and it was really a sort of psionics) manifests differently for everyone. I think the goal should be to say: ok, a sorcerer gets X number of special abilities, and X number of spells, all of which should relate to the heritage the player chooses at first level. But as I said, I don't really know what I'm talking about, so pay more attention to the comments you get from experts. [/QUOTE]

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