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Sorcerer, spellbook, scribe scroll
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<blockquote data-quote="FoxWander" data-source="post: 5148868" data-attributes="member: 1356"><p>This may be too late to matter but I just found this thread so I'll throw in my 2 coppers anyway. (<em>edit after writing- sorry for the long post. I guess this was a bit more than just 2 coppers.</em> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)</p><p></p><p>First off, as a DM I'd be ok with allowing a sorcerer with the scribe scroll feat to use it to make scrolls from a spellbook. It doesn't break the game but it does require some adjudication.</p><p></p><p>Regarding the spells being erased from the spellbook in the scribing process- that actually seems like exactly what should happen given the RAW for the opposite (see- <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#addingSpellstoaWizardsSpellbook" target="_blank">copying into a spellbook from a scroll</a>). So I agree with your DM about disallowing the "infinite scroll" effect irdeggman described above. </p><p></p><p>But, I also wouldn't allow directly using the spells from the book as scrolls- mainly because it opens the path for rampant abuse. That allows <em>ANY</em> spellbook to become a really cheap collection of scrolls AND one that can be created without the Scribe Scroll feat! A 9th level scroll (at minimum caster level) costs 3825 gp. It only cost 900 gp to write it into a spellbook. If the spellbook can be used as a scroll - yadda, yadda - rampant abuse. (or at least vast profit for any enterprising wizard. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />)</p><p></p><p>The only way I see to allow what your suggesting, without abuse, is to tweak the RAW for wizards copying spells (see the link above). </p><p>1-Decipher the spell</p><p>2-Study it for a day</p><p>3-Spellcraft check to successfully copy it</p><p>4-Copied spell disappears from source</p><p>5-Pay the normal gold and xp costs for creating a scroll</p><p></p><p>Alternatively, since point 4 above merely exchanges the spell written in a book for one written on a separate (but ready to cast) piece of paper, for flavor purposes one could simply say that the sorcerer is merely making annotations <strong>IN</strong> the spellbook to transform those spellbook pages into a read-and-cast form (a scroll). That way you get your spellbook of scrolls without breaking the game.</p><p></p><p>Now, using the modified spellbook method I just described, I could see there being <em>some</em> kind of discount to the normal cost of creating a scroll simply because the spellbook itself is already a partially magical writing due to the nature and ridiculous cost of spellbook ink. I would deduct the materials cost of the spellbook ink (ie- 1/3 the price, per crafting rules) directly from the materials cost for scribing. So creating a scroll <em>directly</em> from spellbook pages would at least cost less gold, but still have the XP cost- and 1st level scrolls would only cost XP! So there would be a benefit to that method, but it wouldn't be abusive.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FoxWander, post: 5148868, member: 1356"] This may be too late to matter but I just found this thread so I'll throw in my 2 coppers anyway. ([I]edit after writing- sorry for the long post. I guess this was a bit more than just 2 coppers.[/I] ;)) First off, as a DM I'd be ok with allowing a sorcerer with the scribe scroll feat to use it to make scrolls from a spellbook. It doesn't break the game but it does require some adjudication. Regarding the spells being erased from the spellbook in the scribing process- that actually seems like exactly what should happen given the RAW for the opposite (see- [URL="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/arcaneSpells.htm#addingSpellstoaWizardsSpellbook"]copying into a spellbook from a scroll[/URL]). So I agree with your DM about disallowing the "infinite scroll" effect irdeggman described above. But, I also wouldn't allow directly using the spells from the book as scrolls- mainly because it opens the path for rampant abuse. That allows [I]ANY[/I] spellbook to become a really cheap collection of scrolls AND one that can be created without the Scribe Scroll feat! A 9th level scroll (at minimum caster level) costs 3825 gp. It only cost 900 gp to write it into a spellbook. If the spellbook can be used as a scroll - yadda, yadda - rampant abuse. (or at least vast profit for any enterprising wizard. :p) The only way I see to allow what your suggesting, without abuse, is to tweak the RAW for wizards copying spells (see the link above). 1-Decipher the spell 2-Study it for a day 3-Spellcraft check to successfully copy it 4-Copied spell disappears from source 5-Pay the normal gold and xp costs for creating a scroll Alternatively, since point 4 above merely exchanges the spell written in a book for one written on a separate (but ready to cast) piece of paper, for flavor purposes one could simply say that the sorcerer is merely making annotations [B]IN[/B] the spellbook to transform those spellbook pages into a read-and-cast form (a scroll). That way you get your spellbook of scrolls without breaking the game. Now, using the modified spellbook method I just described, I could see there being [i]some[/i] kind of discount to the normal cost of creating a scroll simply because the spellbook itself is already a partially magical writing due to the nature and ridiculous cost of spellbook ink. I would deduct the materials cost of the spellbook ink (ie- 1/3 the price, per crafting rules) directly from the materials cost for scribing. So creating a scroll [i]directly[/i] from spellbook pages would at least cost less gold, but still have the XP cost- and 1st level scrolls would only cost XP! So there would be a benefit to that method, but it wouldn't be abusive. [/QUOTE]
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