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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5149648" data-attributes="member: 85158"><a href="http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=1002.0" target="_blank">Sorcerer is a tier 2 class</a>. Perhaps you are getting <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#sorcerer" target="_blank">Sorcerer</a> confused with <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/sorcererWizard.htm#wizard" target="_blank">Wizard</a>?Also, "Sorcerer is a tier 1 class, way ahead of anything except cleric and sorcerer" is not a valid sentence. It implies that the sorcerer is ahead of itself, which is impossible.Then you're not getting it at 6th level, which was the point of my point. You're giving up - ie, not getting - a 3rd level spell at level 6 for a bunch of lower level spells and the ability to make more of them. This is not a good trade power wise.Do you need those more than a third level spell? Please, let us examine the power levels involved here before throwing out such statements. And yet you can't name them despite being asked to. And as you previously stated, the sorcerer can have 4 of those anyways without multiclassing.See there? You stated it.Furthermore, there's only so many unique first level spells; many of them are rendered redundant or obsolete by higher level spells, which you get at a faster pace by not multiclassing into wizard.Further furthermore, you can't scribe them at will anyways due to time, GP and XP costs.And you still have to admit that you do not know what Int the sorcerer has; an Int of 10 or less would make multiclassing as a wizard as pointless as a broken pencil.However, experience tells me that most people will not be convinced of anything by anything short of actual experience (and sometimes, not even that!) so let me suggest something more interesting than internet banter.You build a Sorcerer5/Wizard1 and I'll make a Sorcerer 6. We'll get an impartial DM to run us through a low WBL dungeoncrawl either in a team by ourselves or as part of a full party and see performs better. It would provide some empirical evidence as to the utility of multiclassing into wizard for the 1st level spells, would it not?</blockquote>

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