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<blockquote data-quote="Dandu" data-source="post: 5150058" data-attributes="member: 85158">Thank you.I was tempted to do it myself, but figured I shouldn't do his work for&nbsp; him. and the motivation kinda dropped off after he took his ball home.Hm. I think it may be possible for higher level spells to obsolete more&nbsp; than one lower level spell, though. Let's see if I can do this...Shield: Invisible disc gives +4 to AC, blocks magic missiles.The + AC is good, blocking MM is good. Mirror Image provides a better&nbsp; defense though.Mage Armor: Gives subject +4 armor bonus.Same as above, really.&nbsp;Comprehend Languages: You understand all spoken and written&nbsp; languages.I can see how this could be useful, but I've never known anyone to take it ever (even as a wizard) because it's out shadowed by better first level spells on a pretty consistent basis. After you've loaded up on things like Identify, Nerveskitter, Grease, Mount, Invisible Servant, Ray of Enfeeblement, Enlarge Person...Identify: Determines properties of magic item.Identifying is important, yes. Can you get by without it? Well, there's a cheap Wondrous Item to do it, as well as a skill trick, so... maybe?Feather Fall: Objects or creatures fall slowly.Eh. Warlocks have Fell Flight and Flee the Scene. Sorcerers have Fly,&nbsp; Alter Self, Web, Levitate, various teleportation spells, Solid Fog...&nbsp; there's a lot of ways to handle suddenly falling, and one of those&nbsp; spells should be known.This is another spell that gets outclassed pretty frequently because chances are you will have a higher level spell that obsoletes it.I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, there will be spells you want to know that you don't have. Yes, they will be useful on the occasion. However, you'll probably get on fine without them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dandu, post: 5150058, member: 85158"] Thank you. I was tempted to do it myself, but figured I shouldn't do his work for him. and the motivation kinda dropped off after he took his ball home. Hm. I think it may be possible for higher level spells to obsolete more than one lower level spell, though. Let's see if I can do this... [B]Shield: Invisible disc gives +4 to AC, blocks magic missiles.[/B] The + AC is good, blocking MM is good. Mirror Image provides a better defense though. [B]Mage Armor: Gives subject +4 armor bonus. [/B]Same as above, really. [B]Comprehend Languages: You understand all spoken and written languages.[/B] I can see how this could be useful, but I've never known anyone to take it ever (even as a wizard) because it's out shadowed by better first level spells on a pretty consistent basis. After you've loaded up on things like Identify, Nerveskitter, Grease, Mount, Invisible Servant, Ray of Enfeeblement, Enlarge Person... [B]Identify: Determines properties of magic item.[/B] Identifying is important, yes. Can you get by without it? Well, there's a cheap Wondrous Item to do it, as well as a skill trick, so... maybe? [B]Feather Fall: Objects or creatures fall slowly.[/B] Eh. Warlocks have Fell Flight and Flee the Scene. Sorcerers have Fly, Alter Self, Web, Levitate, various teleportation spells, Solid Fog... there's a lot of ways to handle suddenly falling, and one of those spells should be known. This is another spell that gets outclassed pretty frequently because chances are you will have a higher level spell that obsoletes it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that, yes, there will be spells you want to know that you don't have. Yes, they will be useful on the occasion. However, you'll probably get on fine without them. [/QUOTE]

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