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<blockquote data-quote="irdeggman" data-source="post: 5150497" data-attributes="member: 16285">As I recall your main point against multiclassing was in the delaying of getting to higher level spells by not progressing as a sorcerer.Well the other point becomes that a single level of wizard only gives you the ability to learn all 0 and 1st level wizard spells - you would not gain the ability to know any higher level spell and would be stuck with the limit on spells known as a sorcerer.So given that a 20th level sorcerer can know:0 level -&nbsp; &nbsp; 91st level -&nbsp; 52nd level -&nbsp; 53rd level -&nbsp; 44th level -&nbsp; 45th level -&nbsp; 46th level -&nbsp; 37th level -&nbsp; 38th level -&nbsp; 39th level -&nbsp; 3Which high level sorcerer spells do you give up in order to learn the &quot;better&quot; utility ones that are necessary to replace the 1st level utility ones?By giving up a level of sorcerer, at 19th level you would know:0 level -&nbsp; &nbsp; 9*1st level -&nbsp; 5*2nd level -&nbsp; 53rd level -&nbsp; 44th level -&nbsp; 45th level -&nbsp; 46th level -&nbsp; 37th level -&nbsp; 38th level -&nbsp; 39th level -&nbsp; 2* but you would be able to &quot;know&quot; all 0 level wizard spells (automatically) and &quot;learn&quot; all 1st level wizard spells.So is the ability to get scrolls of all of the 1st (and 0) level &quot;utility&quot; spells worth dipping into wizard for a single level (and in the process gaining the scribe scrolls feat for free)?The answer has to be &quot;maybe&quot; - it depends on the setting, the character (theme and roll in the party) and what the player wants to be able to do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="irdeggman, post: 5150497, member: 16285"] As I recall your main point against multiclassing was in the delaying of getting to higher level spells by not progressing as a sorcerer. Well the other point becomes that a single level of wizard only gives you the ability to learn all 0 and 1st level wizard spells - you would not gain the ability to know any higher level spell and would be stuck with the limit on spells known as a sorcerer. So given that a 20th level sorcerer can know: 0 level - 9 1st level - 5 2nd level - 5 3rd level - 4 4th level - 4 5th level - 4 6th level - 3 7th level - 3 8th level - 3 9th level - 3 Which high level sorcerer spells do you give up in order to learn the "better" utility ones that are necessary to replace the 1st level utility ones? By giving up a level of sorcerer, at 19th level you would know: 0 level - 9* 1st level - 5* 2nd level - 5 3rd level - 4 4th level - 4 5th level - 4 6th level - 3 7th level - 3 8th level - 3 9th level - 2 * but you would be able to "know" all 0 level wizard spells (automatically) and "learn" all 1st level wizard spells. So is the ability to get scrolls of all of the 1st (and 0) level "utility" spells worth dipping into wizard for a single level (and in the process gaining the scribe scrolls feat for free)? The answer has to be "maybe" - it depends on the setting, the character (theme and roll in the party) and what the player wants to be able to do. [/QUOTE]

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