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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7538606" data-attributes="member: 6919838">It sure can be effective at something - but to me it cant be that good at representing its &quot;nature&quot; across a variety of its concepts. Thats to me one of the big issues with sorc - a lot of the ideas spawned by the &quot;nature&quot; of the class, by its fluff - are not ones that can really see that much realization in play from that class. Compared to a wizard for which it seems much more straight up you can get out of it what you see in the fluff even from the sub-classes *and* be effective.Then again, i have similar feelings for the warlock - the ideas that spawn from the nature and fluff meet a trio of mechanics that really need to sync up for effectiveness but which only really sync up in a few narrow ways.My bias is showing but i think a world of possibilities open if we move metamagic and invocations and swap them between those two with very few tweaks needed for the conversion. But thats &quot;wishland&quot; not &quot;current land&quot; so not really that much to matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7538606, member: 6919838"] It sure can be effective at something - but to me it cant be that good at representing its "nature" across a variety of its concepts. Thats to me one of the big issues with sorc - a lot of the ideas spawned by the "nature" of the class, by its fluff - are not ones that can really see that much realization in play from that class. Compared to a wizard for which it seems much more straight up you can get out of it what you see in the fluff even from the sub-classes *and* be effective. Then again, i have similar feelings for the warlock - the ideas that spawn from the nature and fluff meet a trio of mechanics that really need to sync up for effectiveness but which only really sync up in a few narrow ways. My bias is showing but i think a world of possibilities open if we move metamagic and invocations and swap them between those two with very few tweaks needed for the conversion. But thats "wishland" not "current land" so not really that much to matter. [/QUOTE]

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