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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 6608242" data-attributes="member: 2067">In 5e (disregarding these classes in earlier e's), are the sorcerer and the wizard basically the same class with a slightly different coat of paint? Or are they distinct and unique in play?5-point scale:1 = "they are only different cosmetically."2 = "they have some differences, but these differences don't matter much."3 = "maybe they fill the same role or have the same story, but they've got meaningful distinctions."4 = "they have some superficial similarities, but they don't really play the same at all."5 = "they are only the same if you ignore basically everything about them."It's kind of a judgement call, IMO - not sure there's any absolutely right threshold for "different."Some thought-provoking questions to consider:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> If you gave them the same exact spell list, spellcasting ability score, and/or skill/weapon/armor proficiency list, would they still be different? How? </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> If you took a subclass out of one and dumped it in the other, would it still work? Does it still make sense?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> How would you help someone who has never played D&D before choose between these classes?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> How often does the difference come up in play? In what situations would it be clear that the class is different? In what situations would they do basically the same thing?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> If you were to make them MORE THE SAME how would you do it? If you were to make them MORE DIFFERENT how would you do it? </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Would a member of one class with a different race/background be the same as the member of another class? (Ie: is a sorcerer who took the Scholar background basically doing the same thing as a wizard? Or is a wizard with the Noble background the same thing as a Sorcerer?)</li> </ul></blockquote>

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