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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zelc" data-source="post: 6608300" data-attributes="member: 40496">IMO the Sorcerer is very different from the Wizard, but the presentation doesn't make the differences very clear, and the mechanical differences are diluted.I think a big problem is the Sorcerer is designed from an RP standpoint, and not a mechanical standpoint.  The Dragon Sorcerer and the Wild Mage are both better thematically than they are cohesive mechanically.  Rogues are skillful, Fighters deal tons of damage, Evocation Wizards have utility and are good at damage spells, Illusion Wizards have utility and are good at illusion spells.  What is the Dragon Sorcerer's niche?  He's a dragon.  That's great for RP, but what does that mean mechanically?  What is the Wild Mage's niche?Let's do a thought experiment.  Take the Dragon Sorcerer.  Strip out all class features except Twinned Spell, Heightened Spell, Quickened Spell, and Elemental Affinity.  We have a caster that novas well, disables well, and twins buff spells like Haste, at the cost of spells prepared/known and spell slots (Arcane Recovery).  Quality over quantity and flexibility.  That's cohesive, strong, fun, and different from any type of Wizard.  The other class features only add extra power in random directions, some of which require SP and trade off with your powerful metamagic.If that's the core of the Sorcerer, it's annoying because you can use it so few times.  At level 6, you can Twin Haste twice and that's it for your niche for the day, unless you give up a lot of spell slots for SP.  The problem is there's a lot of power tied up in the random other class features you get*.  Those other class features are nice for flavor, but dilute the niche of a Sorcerer mechanically.  I'd love to see some archetypes designed to solidify the Sorcerer's mechanics rather than add flavor.[HR][/HR]* Draconic Resilience is half of Toughness + 1 spell known + 1-3 level 1 spell slots.  Elemental Affinity is pretty strong; it's probably worse than Empowered Evocation but you get it 4 levels earlier.  Dragon Wings is a free personal Fly spell: effectively a level 2(for Self target?) spell + a bunch of level 2 spell slots for casting it.  Draconic Presence is basically +1 level 3 spell known, but it's a good level 3 spell (much better than Fear).</blockquote>

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