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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 6609680" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I voted 3...Their spell lists overlap a lot. They both are full casters.The big difference is flexibility in how they cast vs flexibility in what they cast.The sorcerer can silence a spell, or twin one, or any of the other metamagics. But he knows only a small subset of spells off the class list at all, and cannot pick up new ones except by level-up. He also doesn't need books to swap amongst that subset. They have a limited ability to recharge spells on the fly at best, 14 spell levels worth (20th level, 2x5th +1x4th or 2x5th + 2x24th).The Wizard can cast ANY spell he/she/it can find in a written form, at least, given time to study it. They are the only class that doesn't "know" spells. They have an external "knowledge" -  the spell books they own. Note the plural - wizards can gain a lot of flexibility by KTAATTS-ing other wizards. Whatever is in their books, they can have ready in the morning. THis is a VERY wide potential. Likewise, they can pay to add new spells.  Plus, the ability to recover slots is better than that of the sorcerer, but it's a fixed and dedicated feature - it only recovers spell slots, and it cannot be used to do other metamagic stuff; the peak is in fact 20 levels worth of spells, and can recover up to 6th level slots, for a peak of 3x6th +1x2 at 20th level. It takes longer, but is more potent and more flexible than Sorcerous conversion of SP to slots.So, a 5th level sorcerer knows 6 spells total, plus 5 cantrips. And can prepare 5+ChaMod spells. He's NEVER going to limit out unless he's got a Charisma below 10. You can change out spells at level-up - but ONLY at level up. (Barring Adv League play.)The 5th level wizard has at least 10 spells, and can only memorize 5+IntMod of them By level 5, he's almost always got more spells in his books than he can have readied. And, given a long rest + a few minutes, you can swap any of the prepared ones out for a different one from your books. And you can add more from scrolls or from captured spellbooks.That all said, the better proficiencies of the Sorcerer put it a bit over the top for me. But just a bit. Not nearly so munchkin as the Tiefling Blade Pact of the Old Ones Warlock...</blockquote>

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