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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9704550" data-attributes="member: 6790260"> <ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Yes, I think they would. Metamagic is a bit slim, but still solid, and 5.5e added Innate Sorcery which very much helps (and makes Sorcerers feel more aggressive than Wizards). Subclass features could be flavored as Wizard school effects, but many are a bit scattershot relative to Wizard schools and thus would be hard to justify within the 5e school conception.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">No. Several are specifically connected to metamagic. Can't really do metamagic stuff if the metamagic feature isn't present.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Boil it down to their two most distinct characteristics each. "Wizards are very smart, and can learn a LOT of spells even if they can't cast them all the time. Sorcerers are very charming, and can make significant tweaks to the smaller number of spells they learn."</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Intelligence vs Charisma is certainly a big difference, but metamagic as an alternative option (which you can invest as little or as much as you want into) is very helpful, while spell schools are...often limited, but you paid that limitation in order to have a (potentially) vast library to draw from.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">More the same? Give Wizards metamagic and beef up Sorcerers by having actual class features that involve bonus spells or free spellcasting. More different? Make their spell lists more innately distinct (non-Evoker Wizards would have fewer direct damage spells and those spells would be less versatile e.g. no chromatic orb). Give Wizards ACTUAL class features that represent their hybrid "Hermetic enlightenment-seeker"/"member of a collaborating academic community" nature. Rework the existing Sorcerer to be more like the playtest Sorcerer, which was AWESOME.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">A Sorcerer with the Scholar background isn't really any more like a Wizard because Wizards don't actually have features that meaningfully give them scholarly elements, they just have high Intelligence. If being a Scholar makes a Sorcerer into a Wizard, then being a Scholar makes any spellcaster into a Wizard--and nobody seems to be making claims that Lore Bars are coming to replace our Wizards. Conversely, a high-Cha background like Entertainer does cover a bit of turning a Wizard into a Sorcerer, but it's not really very thematic. (The issue, here, is more that both classes did not get enough mechanics to back up their flavor, not that the two archetypes are too similar.)</li> </ol></blockquote>

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