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<blockquote data-quote="frankthedm" data-source="post: 5319814" data-attributes="member: 1164">That is just ONE way of viewing the forum. An option, that not everyone shares. If there is no interest, the thread will sink back down for those who view the forum by last post date. Those who are searching for threads on permanency will find it just as easily as a thread made yesterday.Here is the 3.0 text. [sblock]PermanencyUniversalLevel: Sor/Wiz 5Components: V, S, XPCasting Time: 2 roundsRange: See textTarget, Effect, or Area: See textDuration: Permanent (see text)Saving Throw: NoneSpell Resistance: NoThis spell makes certain other spells permanent. Depending on the spell, the character must be at least a minimum level and must expend a number of XP.The character can make these spells permanent in regard to his or her self:Minimum Spell&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; XP Cost-----&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------Comprehend languages&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPDarkvision&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,000 XPDetect magic&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPProtection from arrows&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,500 XPRead magic&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPSee invisibility&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,000 XPTongues&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,500 XPThe character casts the desired spell and then follows it with the permanency spell. The character cannot cast these spells on other creatures. This application of permanency can be dispelled only by a caster of greater level than the character was when the character cast the spell.In addition to personal use, permanency can be used to make the following spells permanent on him or herself, another creature, or an object (as appropriate):Minimum Spell&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; XP Cost-----&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------Enlarge&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPMagic Fang&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPResistance&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 250 XPAdditionally, the following spells can be cast upon objects or areas only and rendered permanent:Minimum Spell&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; XP Cost-----&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; -------Alarm&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPDancing lights&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPGhost sound&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 500 XPGust of wind&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,500 XPInvisibility&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,000 XPMagic mouth&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,000 XPPhase door&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 15th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3,500 XPPrismatic sphere&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4,500 XPShrink item&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,500 XPSolid fog&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2,000 XPStinking cloud&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,500 XPSymbol&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 16th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4,000 XPTeleportation circle&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 17th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4,500 XPWall of fire&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 12th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2,000 XPWall of force&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 13th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2,500 XPWeb&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 10th&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1,000 XPSpells cast on other creatures, objects, or locations (not on the character) are vulnerable to dispel magic as normal.The DM may allow other selected spells to be made permanent. Researching this possible application of a spell costs as much time and money as independently researching the selected spell. If the DM has already determined that the application is not possible, the research automatically fails. Note that the character never learns what is possible except by the success or failure of the character's research.[/sblock]Which books are you referring to? Even my 3.0 PHB has it listed as Permanent duration type. I checked to make sure it was not something the early 3.0 errata changed. Also it sounded like [MENTION=2564]Bonedagger[/MENTION] had intended the shutdown effect to work with the normal vulnerability of all magic items, 1d4 rounds of being suppressed if a successful dispel magic targets the item.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="frankthedm, post: 5319814, member: 1164"] That is just ONE way of viewing the forum. An option, that not everyone shares. If there is no interest, the thread will sink back down for those who view the forum by last post date. Those who are searching for threads on permanency will find it just as easily as a thread made yesterday. Here is the 3.0 text. [sblock]Permanency Universal Level: Sor/Wiz 5 Components: V, S, XP Casting Time: 2 rounds Range: See text Target, Effect, or Area: See text Duration: Permanent (see text) Saving Throw: None Spell Resistance: No This spell makes certain other spells permanent. Depending on the spell, the character must be at least a minimum level and must expend a number of XP. The character can make these spells permanent in regard to his or her self: Minimum Spell Level XP Cost ----- ------- ------- Comprehend languages 9th 500 XP Darkvision 10th 1,000 XP Detect magic 9th 500 XP Protection from arrows 11th 1,500 XP Read magic 9th 500 XP See invisibility 10th 1,000 XP Tongues 11th 1,500 XP The character casts the desired spell and then follows it with the permanency spell. The character cannot cast these spells on other creatures. This application of permanency can be dispelled only by a caster of greater level than the character was when the character cast the spell. In addition to personal use, permanency can be used to make the following spells permanent on him or herself, another creature, or an object (as appropriate): Minimum Spell Level XP Cost ----- ------- ------- Enlarge 9th 500 XP Magic Fang 9th 500 XP Resistance 9th 250 XP Additionally, the following spells can be cast upon objects or areas only and rendered permanent: Minimum Spell Level XP Cost ----- ------- ------- Alarm 9th 500 XP Dancing lights 9th 500 XP Ghost sound 9th 500 XP Gust of wind 11th 1,500 XP Invisibility 10th 1,000 XP Magic mouth 10th 1,000 XP Phase door 15th 3,500 XP Prismatic sphere 17th 4,500 XP Shrink item 11th 1,500 XP Solid fog 12th 2,000 XP Stinking cloud 11th 1,500 XP Symbol 16th 4,000 XP Teleportation circle 17th 4,500 XP Wall of fire 12th 2,000 XP Wall of force 13th 2,500 XP Web 10th 1,000 XP Spells cast on other creatures, objects, or locations (not on the character) are vulnerable to dispel magic as normal. The DM may allow other selected spells to be made permanent. Researching this possible application of a spell costs as much time and money as independently researching the selected spell. If the DM has already determined that the application is not possible, the research automatically fails. Note that the character never learns what is possible except by the success or failure of the character's research. [/sblock] Which books are you referring to? Even my 3.0 PHB has it listed as [I]Permanent[/I] duration type. I checked to make sure it was not something the early 3.0 errata changed. Also it sounded like [MENTION=2564]Bonedagger[/MENTION] had intended the shutdown effect to work with the normal vulnerability of all magic items, 1d4 rounds of being suppressed if a successful dispel magic targets the item. [/QUOTE]

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