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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Simth" data-source="post: 5320133" data-attributes="member: 29252">Let's see...1) Don't get Permanency as a Sorcerer (Wizards: Go for it).&nbsp; Use Limited Wish, instead.&nbsp; Sure, it's a 7th level spell slot vs. a 5th level spell slot, but Limited Wish doesn't cost any more XP (it's 300 xp, or the cost of the duplicated spell, whichever is MORE)2) Permanency is a bit risky in a 'standard' campaign - Dispelling is a really, really good tactic against most spellcasters (not all!), and should be a reasonably standard opening move.&nbsp; As most of your opponents will be higher level then you are, and after a few levels, ALL OF THEM will be higher level than you were when you cast the spell, it's gone in fairly short order.Now, if you are using Limited Wish instead of Permanency, and you've either got a DM who doesn't dispel much/ever (generally goes with players who don't layer buffs and don't open with Dispels themselves, by the way) or you have house-rules protecting Permanent spells, then go for it.As for 'borrowing' the spell from another caster?&nbsp; Exactly as written, Permanency only cares about who's casting Permanency - not who's casting the spell to be made permanent.&nbsp; So yes, if the party Wizard casts Darkvision on you, and you have a caster level of 10 and 1,000 xp to burn, then you can Permanency that Darkvision spell.&nbsp; If the party Wizard casts Reduce Person on you, and you have a caster level of 9 and 500 xp to burn, you can Permanency that Reduce Person on yourself.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Simth, post: 5320133, member: 29252"] Let's see... 1) Don't get Permanency as a Sorcerer (Wizards: Go for it). Use Limited Wish, instead. Sure, it's a 7th level spell slot vs. a 5th level spell slot, but Limited Wish doesn't cost any more XP (it's 300 xp, or the cost of the duplicated spell, whichever is MORE) 2) Permanency is a bit risky in a 'standard' campaign - Dispelling is a really, really good tactic against most spellcasters (not all!), and should be a reasonably standard opening move. As most of your opponents will be higher level then you are, and after a few levels, ALL OF THEM will be higher level than you were [I]when you cast the spell[/I], it's gone in fairly short order. Now, if you are using Limited Wish instead of Permanency, and you've either got a DM who doesn't dispel much/ever (generally goes with players who don't layer buffs and don't open with Dispels themselves, by the way) or you have house-rules protecting Permanent spells, then go for it. As for 'borrowing' the spell from another caster? Exactly as written, Permanency only cares about who's casting [U]Permanency[/U] - not who's casting [U]the spell to be made permanent[/U]. So yes, if the party Wizard casts Darkvision on you, and you have a caster level of 10 and 1,000 xp to burn, then you can Permanency that Darkvision spell. If the party Wizard casts Reduce Person on you, and you have a caster level of 9 and 500 xp to burn, you can Permanency that Reduce Person on yourself. [/QUOTE]

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