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<blockquote data-quote="Ridley's Cohort" data-source="post: 326204" data-attributes="member: 545">I don't really care about the Sleep issue one way or another.&nbsp; And I would agree with you it is not a must have spell.&nbsp; What concerns me are themed Sorcerors who will get hurt in the long term.A sorceror of illusions would likely take Invisibility, but taking Improved Invisibility later also is just too impractical.A sorceror who likes to summon is likely to take SM I &amp; SM II early on.&nbsp; But taking them every spell level hurts the character too much, even though it makes sense for the character concept in the short term.The idea of upgrading spells actually makes more sense than the vanilla rules wizards now use.&nbsp; To my mind if you are going to allow a wizard who has not yet learned Invisibility to get Improved Invisibility, then allowing a few minor upgrades for the sorceror seems more natural than not.&nbsp; Knowing the lower level spell should be a prereq for the later spell.Personally, I would never allow a PC who took Sleep to swap it for something totally different.&nbsp; But maybe a &quot;Greater Sleep&quot; spell, frex.This whole upgrade/prereq issue haunts psions even more than sorcerors.&nbsp; IMHO, it is the biggest flaw in the psionic system.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ridley's Cohort, post: 326204, member: 545"] I don't really care about the Sleep issue one way or another. And I would agree with you it is not a must have spell. What concerns me are themed Sorcerors who will get hurt in the long term. A sorceror of illusions would likely take Invisibility, but taking Improved Invisibility later also is just too impractical. A sorceror who likes to summon is likely to take SM I & SM II early on. But taking them every spell level hurts the character too much, even though it makes sense for the character concept in the short term. The idea of upgrading spells actually makes more sense than the vanilla rules wizards now use. To my mind if you are going to allow a wizard who has not yet learned Invisibility to get Improved Invisibility, then allowing a few minor upgrades for the sorceror seems more natural than not. Knowing the lower level spell should be a prereq for the later spell. Personally, I would never allow a PC who took Sleep to swap it for something totally different. But maybe a "Greater Sleep" spell, frex. This whole upgrade/prereq issue haunts psions even more than sorcerors. IMHO, it is the biggest flaw in the psionic system. [/QUOTE]

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