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<blockquote data-quote="Synchronicity" data-source="post: 1562601" data-attributes="member: 10070"><p>Ok, two things before I begin.</p><p>1) This probably isn't what you're thinking. I'm not going to start another innumerable round of 'Is the Wizard balanced against the Sorcerer?' Those discussions have been had a dozen times, and generally have no real resolution. For this thread, I am presupposing that the two classes *are* balanced against one another, and moving on from there. It's a necessary assumption to proceed to my actual question and not get bogged down in the wrong debate.</p><p>2) I'm not sure if this thread should go into another forum or not. It's not exactly a rules question, it's a personal question and opinion and a request for other opinions, so I'm putting it here. If any moderator thinks it belongs elsewhere, please move it. Thanks!</p><p></p><p>Now then, on to my question..when I ask if sorcerers get the short end of the stick in D&D, I'm not referring to Sorcerers vs Wizards. I am referring to how Sorcerers match up with Prestige Classes.</p><p></p><p>There isn't *one* decent PrC I've found that's better for Sorcerers than Wizards; it's all the other way around. Let me show you my reasoning.</p><p></p><p>1) Sorcerers get less Knowledge skills as class skills ('Knowledge: arcana', as opposed to 'all Knowledge skills, taken individually' for Wizards), making it harder for them to qualify for many arcane casting prestige classes, where knowledges are often a requirement.</p><p></p><p>2) They get less spells known, making it harder for them to qualify for classes with specific spell requirements, such as Loremaster. (X divination spells of level X)</p><p></p><p>3) They get spells a level later than wizards, making it harder for them to qualify for classes with '3rd level arcane casting' or the like required by at least one level.</p><p></p><p>4) Due to the later aquisition of new spell levels as compared to Wizards, 2/3 casting or 1/2 casting classes hurt sorcerers even more than they hurt wizards.</p><p></p><p>4) They get less metamagic and item creation feats than wizards, when such feats are a common requirement for an arcane casting PrC. Wizards get Scribe Scroll at first level and a feat ever 5 levels. Sorcerers get jack.</p><p></p><p>And what do they get in return? Well, they can use shortspears. Badly, because they have crap BAB. Whoop de do. Why this bias? I just don't get it. Whether or not Sorcerers are balanced against Wizards as a base class (a debate which I do not want to enter here), they sure as all heck don't seem to be balanced against Wizards when it comes to PrCs. Wizards get it better, period.</p><p></p><p>So, then, I ask you this:</p><p></p><p>1) Am I correct in my points, or have I overlooked some information which shows me to be in the wrong? Have your gaming experiences suggested that I am wrong, and sorcerers are not ill-treated in this regard?</p><p></p><p>2) If I am correct, can anyone suggest a reason why this might be?</p><p></p><p>3) If I am correct, does anyone have any ideas as to how this imbalance could be redressed?</p><p></p><p>Many thanks for your input!</p><p></p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Synchronicity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Synchronicity, post: 1562601, member: 10070"] Ok, two things before I begin. 1) This probably isn't what you're thinking. I'm not going to start another innumerable round of 'Is the Wizard balanced against the Sorcerer?' Those discussions have been had a dozen times, and generally have no real resolution. For this thread, I am presupposing that the two classes *are* balanced against one another, and moving on from there. It's a necessary assumption to proceed to my actual question and not get bogged down in the wrong debate. 2) I'm not sure if this thread should go into another forum or not. It's not exactly a rules question, it's a personal question and opinion and a request for other opinions, so I'm putting it here. If any moderator thinks it belongs elsewhere, please move it. Thanks! Now then, on to my question..when I ask if sorcerers get the short end of the stick in D&D, I'm not referring to Sorcerers vs Wizards. I am referring to how Sorcerers match up with Prestige Classes. There isn't *one* decent PrC I've found that's better for Sorcerers than Wizards; it's all the other way around. Let me show you my reasoning. 1) Sorcerers get less Knowledge skills as class skills ('Knowledge: arcana', as opposed to 'all Knowledge skills, taken individually' for Wizards), making it harder for them to qualify for many arcane casting prestige classes, where knowledges are often a requirement. 2) They get less spells known, making it harder for them to qualify for classes with specific spell requirements, such as Loremaster. (X divination spells of level X) 3) They get spells a level later than wizards, making it harder for them to qualify for classes with '3rd level arcane casting' or the like required by at least one level. 4) Due to the later aquisition of new spell levels as compared to Wizards, 2/3 casting or 1/2 casting classes hurt sorcerers even more than they hurt wizards. 4) They get less metamagic and item creation feats than wizards, when such feats are a common requirement for an arcane casting PrC. Wizards get Scribe Scroll at first level and a feat ever 5 levels. Sorcerers get jack. And what do they get in return? Well, they can use shortspears. Badly, because they have crap BAB. Whoop de do. Why this bias? I just don't get it. Whether or not Sorcerers are balanced against Wizards as a base class (a debate which I do not want to enter here), they sure as all heck don't seem to be balanced against Wizards when it comes to PrCs. Wizards get it better, period. So, then, I ask you this: 1) Am I correct in my points, or have I overlooked some information which shows me to be in the wrong? Have your gaming experiences suggested that I am wrong, and sorcerers are not ill-treated in this regard? 2) If I am correct, can anyone suggest a reason why this might be? 3) If I am correct, does anyone have any ideas as to how this imbalance could be redressed? Many thanks for your input! Cheers, Synchronicity. [/QUOTE]
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