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<blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 2636277" data-attributes="member: 10397"><p>But when it comes to killing something this will rarely if ever be an issue. If you just need to kill something pretty much any attack spell will do, unless the only attack spell you have is an energy spell of a type the creature is immune or highly resistance too.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a better example. However, I would say the chances of a given Sorcerer knowing all the neccesary spells to bring down a Prismatic Wall (Especially knowing Daylight and Gust of Wind and Passwall as a Sorcerer) seem quite low to me. Whereas a Wizard is more likely to have picked up those spells. But he is unlikely to have them prepared. But, he will quite possibly know them, and so have the option of bringing it down later if that is an option, whereas the Sorcerer will not unless he knows all of those spells. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And of course, thats also just an example of how powerful Prismatic Sphere is <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile :-)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>My thing is this. Most spells are going to be of some minimal use most of the time. And in some ways thats an even point between Wiz and Sor. However, those spells that are useless in certain circumstances (Knock for instance which is useless for anything but opening locks) are pretty much never going to be even learned by Sorcerers, because since they have so few choices, making one thats only going to be useful in such limited circumstances isnt such a great idea. A Wizard however has more choices, and so is able to learn those situational spells. And he has enough slots to prepare the bread and butter stuff, and a few of those situational spells that he may or may not need, especially if he does have some inkling of whats going on. But the Sorcerer doesnt have that option. His spells known are <strong>it</strong> .</p><p></p><p></p><p>This can be a factor in combat somewhat as well. Take a 6th level party. The Wizard knows 4 3rd level spells. Dispel Magic, Fly, Fireball, Lightning Bolt lets say. And he can prepare 3 a day. The party is traveling outdoors right now, so he prepares Fly, Fireball and Lightning Bolt. </p><p></p><p>The 6th level Sorcerer only knows 1 third level spell. He wants to have an attack spell at his highest spell level first, so he chooses Lightning Bolt. </p><p></p><p>The Party is attacked by trolls. The Sorcerer's Lightning Bolt isnt much help (even if he can cast it 5 times), but the Wizard has Fireball too.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now I know this isnt an amazing example. The Sorcerer could have Scorching Ray, for instance. And Lightning Bolt is totally useless against trolls.</p><p></p><p>But I am just trying to illustrate how limited a Sorcerer is, especially in the area that matters most...his highest level spells. </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>But I think overall the Wizard will be more useful in more situations. That has been my experience, as well as being supported by the mechanics.</p><p></p><p>and once again:</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I dont think much more needs to be said.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Merlion, post: 2636277, member: 10397"] But when it comes to killing something this will rarely if ever be an issue. If you just need to kill something pretty much any attack spell will do, unless the only attack spell you have is an energy spell of a type the creature is immune or highly resistance too. This is a better example. However, I would say the chances of a given Sorcerer knowing all the neccesary spells to bring down a Prismatic Wall (Especially knowing Daylight and Gust of Wind and Passwall as a Sorcerer) seem quite low to me. Whereas a Wizard is more likely to have picked up those spells. But he is unlikely to have them prepared. But, he will quite possibly know them, and so have the option of bringing it down later if that is an option, whereas the Sorcerer will not unless he knows all of those spells. And of course, thats also just an example of how powerful Prismatic Sphere is :-) My thing is this. Most spells are going to be of some minimal use most of the time. And in some ways thats an even point between Wiz and Sor. However, those spells that are useless in certain circumstances (Knock for instance which is useless for anything but opening locks) are pretty much never going to be even learned by Sorcerers, because since they have so few choices, making one thats only going to be useful in such limited circumstances isnt such a great idea. A Wizard however has more choices, and so is able to learn those situational spells. And he has enough slots to prepare the bread and butter stuff, and a few of those situational spells that he may or may not need, especially if he does have some inkling of whats going on. But the Sorcerer doesnt have that option. His spells known are [B]it[/B] . This can be a factor in combat somewhat as well. Take a 6th level party. The Wizard knows 4 3rd level spells. Dispel Magic, Fly, Fireball, Lightning Bolt lets say. And he can prepare 3 a day. The party is traveling outdoors right now, so he prepares Fly, Fireball and Lightning Bolt. The 6th level Sorcerer only knows 1 third level spell. He wants to have an attack spell at his highest spell level first, so he chooses Lightning Bolt. The Party is attacked by trolls. The Sorcerer's Lightning Bolt isnt much help (even if he can cast it 5 times), but the Wizard has Fireball too. Now I know this isnt an amazing example. The Sorcerer could have Scorching Ray, for instance. And Lightning Bolt is totally useless against trolls. But I am just trying to illustrate how limited a Sorcerer is, especially in the area that matters most...his highest level spells. But I think overall the Wizard will be more useful in more situations. That has been my experience, as well as being supported by the mechanics. and once again: I dont think much more needs to be said. [/QUOTE]
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