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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Denaes" data-source="post: 2641875" data-attributes="member: 33738">No, don't change the subject. The only thing it came down to was that you said:I was attempting to show that Sorcerers can shine in normal day to day use because of their flexibility. The thing with the Wizard... any spell selections you make are poor in hindsight if other spells would have been a better choice. And we wern't playing in some "Scrolls Unlimited" campaign were Wizards had scrolls flowing out of their robes because they had the ability to make them. The wizard was spending his money on other things and we didn't have a whole lot of downtime. The wizard expected combat and we did see combat and he was usefull. But he wasn't expecting that we would have to go through a bunch of non-combat trickery. Thats the only point anyone pro-sorcerer has been trying to make. The Sorcerer is Flexible in their casting method because they don't need to choose spells. And we're comparing mechanics, not player minds. Not everyone will be the all knowing Doc Akward with (real world) magic vision to be prepared for everything. From 1e, I've played wizards and I've played with over a dozen other players who played wizards and all have just ended up with a selection of spells that were useless for one reason or another. I've also played other game systems where you don't need to memorize spells and I've seen a remarkable difference in Wizard players in the other systems (same player, other system).</blockquote>

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