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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lonely Tylenol" data-source="post: 2642534" data-attributes="member: 18549">And what you demonstrated was that spell selection is key, but the sorcerer's ability to cast a large volume of spells is great if those are the spells you need to cast in order to bypass a danger.  Which is essentially what I've been saying is the sorcerer's advantage: volume.  He's the wholesaler of arcane magic.Ah, strawmen...  In my last campaign, we had downtime about once every adventure or two adventures.  I never had any problem saying "I scribe a bunch of scrolls during downtime."  Sorry to disrupt your sarcasm, but it was hardly "scrolls unlimited."  If your DM isn't allowing downtime, he's denying the wizard access to his class feature, which requires downtime.  Nothing wrong with that style of play, but it must be taken into account that it hobbles the wizard to lose out like that, so of course in that kind of campaign a sorcerer will have an advantage.  It is not because they don't choose spells that they are flexible.  It's because they can keep casting those spells that they didn't get to choose.  That's a key difference.  Being limited is not an advantage.  Being tenacious is.  This is the whole point I've been arguing.  It's not that the sorcerer doesn't need to choose spells, but that he is not able to choose spells.  That's a disadvantage.  It's made up for by the spontaneous casting mechanic.  But it does not make the sorcerer more capable of dealing with different situations, as people like to claim.  It makes him more capable of dealing with a certain set of situations than the wizard would be with the same spell selection, because the wizard will run out of slots first.  The wizard is more likely to have a Leomund's Secure Shelter on a scroll (or even prepared, if he uses it often enough), but he's less likely to be able to Dimension Door three times in one combat.Look, can you lose the attitude please?  It's starting to get annoying, and it's childish.  If there were any more sarcasm dripping from your posts I'd have to put a towel under my monitor to soak it up.Also, my name is spelled Awkward.And, to actually address this point, if we're not comparing "player minds" then we're not comparing spell selection.  If we're not comparing spell selection, then all we can do is count spells known and spells per day and compare them side by side, and that'll be a pretty damn empty comparison, don't you think?  The wizard's spellcasting mechanic relies on careful spell selection anyway, and the sorcerer's spells known requires planning and synergy.  The wizard's Scribe Scroll ability makes up for a lot in spell selection as "the backup plan" when the day's selected spells turn out to be suboptimal.  Not that I have seen many wizards who don't use most if not all of their spells each day (again, until about level 7 or 10, when they wind up with more slots than they seem to actually need...which gives them greater ability to duplicate spells or leave slots open).Spell selection is very important for both classes, and the effectiveness of the character will depend to a great degree on his spell selection.  My argument is that because wizards have a larger repertoire and can change their spells known every day (or multiple times during a day), and have backup methods of accessing spells, they are less affected by the demands of spell selection, therefore making spell selection a factor when comparing the two classes.</blockquote>

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