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<blockquote data-quote="Dan'L" data-source="post: 4795814" data-attributes="member: 68954">Melee isn't a range, it's one of the four attack types, each of which has a subset of ranges (PHB 56).&nbsp; SBC allows a power with the attack type of &quot;ranged&quot; to be used as attack type &quot;melee.&quot;&nbsp; And SBC gives it a range equal to &quot;your melee reach,&quot; not &quot;touch;&quot; although they are likely the same, they aren't necessarily.So, it would be a Basic Attack with attack type Melee, attack range Melee reach.&nbsp; I'm not sure how a basic attack with attack type melee isn't a melee basic attack.Ah, thank you for clearing that up<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />There is as much a thing as &quot;basic attack&quot; on its own as there is &quot;sorceror attack&quot; on its own.&nbsp; Both appear in the same portion of the power description that is defined by the &quot;Name and Level&quot; section of &quot;How to Read a Power&quot; (PHB 54)&nbsp; No, it's not a keyword, but it is as much a part of a power description as the keywords are.&nbsp; AFAIK, the only part of the power description that is ignorable is the Flavor Text.Actually, I just want to take SBC for other reasons, but wanted to clear this up before it comes up in a game.In so far as many feats offer overlapping utility, having one feat that does a thing does not necessarily preclude another feat from doing something similar.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/worried.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":-S" title="Uhm&nbsp; &nbsp; :-S" data-shortname=":-S" />So, basically, the attack has to carry the Name &quot;melee basic attack&quot; or be explicitly excepted as such in order to be used as an OA, and being a Basic Attack of attack type Melee isn't good enough to qualify as a Melee Basic Attack?&nbsp; It's a square/rectangle/rhombus thing?-Dan'L</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dan'L, post: 4795814, member: 68954"] Melee isn't a range, it's one of the four attack types, each of which has a subset of ranges (PHB 56). SBC allows a power with the attack type of "ranged" to be used as attack type "melee." And SBC gives it a range equal to "your melee reach," not "touch;" although they are likely the same, they aren't necessarily. So, it would be a Basic Attack with attack type Melee, attack range Melee reach. I'm not sure how a basic attack with attack type melee isn't a melee basic attack. Ah, thank you for clearing that up:) There is as much a thing as "basic attack" on its own as there is "sorceror attack" on its own. Both appear in the same portion of the power description that is defined by the "Name and Level" section of "How to Read a Power" (PHB 54) No, it's not a keyword, but it is as much a part of a power description as the keywords are. AFAIK, the only part of the power description that is ignorable is the Flavor Text. Actually, I just want to take SBC for other reasons, but wanted to clear this up before it comes up in a game. In so far as many feats offer overlapping utility, having one feat that does a thing does not necessarily preclude another feat from doing something similar.:-S So, basically, the attack has to carry the Name "melee basic attack" or be explicitly excepted as such in order to be used as an OA, and being a Basic Attack of attack type Melee isn't good enough to qualify as a Melee Basic Attack? It's a square/rectangle/rhombus thing? -Dan'L [/QUOTE]

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