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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 818598" data-attributes="member: 6875">Sorcerors underpowered at high levels?Heh, says YOU.I just finished making a Sorceror for an Arena (ECL 25, but he's only got 18 sorceror levels); his stats aren't Epic, either, as he's only got 22HD total, and no Epic stat boosters.&nbsp; Yet, hsi spellcasting looks like so:[code][color=white]LVL&nbsp; DC&nbsp; Base Stat #/DAY Known&nbsp;0&nbsp;&nbsp; 27&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; -&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp;1&nbsp;&nbsp; 28&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp;2&nbsp;&nbsp; 29&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp;3&nbsp;&nbsp; 30&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp;4&nbsp;&nbsp; 31&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; 10&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp;5&nbsp;&nbsp; 32&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp;6&nbsp;&nbsp; 33&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp;7&nbsp;&nbsp; 34&nbsp;&nbsp; 6&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 9&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp;8&nbsp;&nbsp; 35&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp;9&nbsp;&nbsp; 36&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp; &nbsp; 110&nbsp;&nbsp; **&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp; &nbsp; *[/color][/code]As I said above, at 20th level, unless the Wizard spends lots of GP, he won't know mroe than a dozen spells &quot;extra&quot;, compared to a sorceror of the same level.Just buy a scroll?&nbsp; Shyeah, right.&nbsp; Buy a scroll, and scribe it.&nbsp; And no, not every DM thinks the line in Boccob's Blessed Books &quot;freely accepts&quot; means &quot;the owner may scribe for free&quot;.&nbsp; I, for one, don't; I used to, until I started making epic wizards, and realised just how MUCH money was being saved with the free scribing costs supposedly provided by the BBB.One such character was going to spend about 38,000gp for scrolls and scribing, and then (for safety's sake), spend another 80,000gp scribing a second copy of his spellbooks (yes, plural -- as in, SIX volumes).118,000gp is nothing to sneeze at.&nbsp; What the Wizard fairly spends increasing their repertoir, the Sorceror spends on permanent items for himself -- or on scrolls, wands, staves, potions, etc, of those spells he doesn't know, but feels he &quot;just has to have&quot; ...And you know what ... I can't even recall the last time I made a sorceror with fireball.No, wait ... I can ... an Elemental Savant (Fire), IIRC ... about ... six or eight sorcerors back (I make characters kinda compulsively, so sue me, heh).A good sorceror picks spells that have effects OTHER than just damage (I'd rather a shadow evocation than a fireball, any day ... it's more flexible, adn the DCs are higher too).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pax, post: 818598, member: 6875"] Sorcerors underpowered at high levels? Heh, says YOU. I just finished making a Sorceror for an Arena (ECL 25, but he's only got 18 sorceror levels); his stats aren't Epic, either, as he's only got 22HD total, and no Epic stat boosters. Yet, hsi spellcasting looks like so: [code][color=white] LVL DC Base Stat #/DAY Known 0 27 6 - 6 9 1 28 6 4 10 5 2 29 6 4 10 5 3 30 6 4 10 4 4 31 6 4 10 4 5 32 6 3 9 4 6 33 6 3 9 3 7 34 6 3 9 3 8 35 5 3 8 2 9 36 3 2 5 1 10 ** 1 3 4 *[/color][/code] As I said above, at 20th level, unless the Wizard spends lots of GP, he won't know mroe than a dozen spells "extra", compared to a sorceror of the same level. Just buy a scroll? Shyeah, right. Buy a scroll, and scribe it. And no, not [b]every[/b] DM thinks the line in Boccob's Blessed Books "freely accepts" means "the owner may scribe for free". I, for one, don't; I used to, until I started making epic wizards, and realised just how MUCH money was being saved with the free scribing costs supposedly provided by the BBB. One such character was going to spend about 38,000gp for scrolls and scribing, and then (for safety's sake), spend another 80,000gp scribing a second copy of his spellbooks (yes, plural -- as in, SIX volumes). 118,000gp is nothing to sneeze at. What the Wizard fairly spends increasing their repertoir, the Sorceror spends on permanent items for himself -- or on scrolls, wands, staves, potions, etc, of those spells he doesn't know, but feels he "just [b]has[/b] to have" ... And you know what ... I can't even [b]recall[/b] the last time I made a sorceror with fireball. No, wait ... I can ... an Elemental Savant (Fire), IIRC ... about ... six or eight sorcerors back (I make characters kinda compulsively, so sue me, heh). A [b]good[/b] sorceror picks spells that have effects OTHER than just damage (I'd rather a shadow evocation than a fireball, any day ... it's more flexible, adn the DCs are higher too). [/QUOTE]

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