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Sorceror in current edition worse than wizard?
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<blockquote data-quote="Pax" data-source="post: 823767" data-attributes="member: 6875"><p>The point though, is this: without BBB, getting a new 9th level spell form source other than levellign up, i worth between 5,000gp and 6,000gp.</p><p></p><p>And with or without BBB, it takes 10 days' time to scribe the spell.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Two things.</p><p></p><p>One, intelligence doesn't give you new spells, except at first level.</p><p></p><p>Two, being a specialist doesn't give you additional extra spells.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One level later, but when they get the spell(s), they're as good at casting them as the Wizard is. And sure, when they first get a spell level, they only get 1 spell of that level. So what? Wizards get two, but -- aside from specialists, and excluding bonusses form attributes, they only get to <strong>prepare</strong> ONE of them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What's even lower than that?</p><p></p><p>Repeating the same false argument ad nauseum, in a (probable) attempt to irritate the other party.</p><p></p><p>Bravo.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What a designer says, outside the FAQ and/or Errata, has no more real bearing than what I say.</p><p></p><p>And while they may be taking the easy way out, I don't <strong>want</strong> to believe they were so stupid as to INTEND to put in such a grossly overpowered item as a book that allows FREE scroll-scribing, for only 9Kgp.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Your loss.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See above comment about not wanting to believe they were that <strong>dumb.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see that your assertation holds water. High magic means broader spellbook selection for Wizards, and easier compensation for narrow spells-known for sorcerors. The two are reasonably equal in impact.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes. What class or classes gain a benefit from high intelligence, which (A) do not cost the Wizard precious spellcasting levels, and (B) are not classes that would grant EQUAL benefit for a high charisma (i.e. a spellcasting prestige class), yet (C) give a bonus <strong>other than skill points</strong>, based on high intelligence.</p><p></p><p>I can't think of a single one, myself.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And I don't see any class the Wizard could go into, which would especially benefit him due to high Intelligence, where the Sorceror's high Charisma would not produce a comparable benefit.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fifteen minutes in a secure area. Boy, any GM who gives that sort of benefit on a regular basis <strong>is</strong> a wimp. What are you gonna do, call a Time Out, and expect the Orc barbarian raiders to honor it?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What you're doing is discount it entirely.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As you've said, with bonusses for high attributes, Wizards have nearly as many spells per day as Sorcerors.</p><p></p><p>And, unless the GM is excessively generous, both in gifting stuff to the wizard, and in interpreting BBB in a broken manner, the Sorceror won't know that many spells fewer than the Wizard, either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As the Wizard (by your own statement) has spent GP to come up to the Sorceror's "Cast all day wihtout worry".</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>If you truly believe thhis tripe you've just spouted off, then I daresay you've never made a proper stab at playing a sorceror, nor seen someone else do so.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ah, how nice, a long post and then a parting shot of "so long". Nice one.</p><p></p><p>As for emotionally invested; if you don't feel STRONGLY about something, why would you bother debating it at all, hmm? I honetly think you <strong>have</strong> been trolling. Your parting remark above only clinches it for me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pax, post: 823767, member: 6875"] The point though, is this: without BBB, getting a new 9th level spell form source other than levellign up, i worth between 5,000gp and 6,000gp. And with or without BBB, it takes 10 days' time to scribe the spell. Two things. One, intelligence doesn't give you new spells, except at first level. Two, being a specialist doesn't give you additional extra spells. One level later, but when they get the spell(s), they're as good at casting them as the Wizard is. And sure, when they first get a spell level, they only get 1 spell of that level. So what? Wizards get two, but -- aside from specialists, and excluding bonusses form attributes, they only get to [b]prepare[/b] ONE of them. What's even lower than that? Repeating the same false argument ad nauseum, in a (probable) attempt to irritate the other party. Bravo. What a designer says, outside the FAQ and/or Errata, has no more real bearing than what I say. And while they may be taking the easy way out, I don't [b]want[/b] to believe they were so stupid as to INTEND to put in such a grossly overpowered item as a book that allows FREE scroll-scribing, for only 9Kgp. Your loss. See above comment about not wanting to believe they were that [b]dumb.[/b] I don't see that your assertation holds water. High magic means broader spellbook selection for Wizards, and easier compensation for narrow spells-known for sorcerors. The two are reasonably equal in impact. Yes. What class or classes gain a benefit from high intelligence, which (A) do not cost the Wizard precious spellcasting levels, and (B) are not classes that would grant EQUAL benefit for a high charisma (i.e. a spellcasting prestige class), yet (C) give a bonus [b]other than skill points[/b], based on high intelligence. I can't think of a single one, myself. And I don't see any class the Wizard could go into, which would especially benefit him due to high Intelligence, where the Sorceror's high Charisma would not produce a comparable benefit. Fifteen minutes in a secure area. Boy, any GM who gives that sort of benefit on a regular basis [b]is[/b] a wimp. What are you gonna do, call a Time Out, and expect the Orc barbarian raiders to honor it? What you're doing is discount it entirely. As you've said, with bonusses for high attributes, Wizards have nearly as many spells per day as Sorcerors. And, unless the GM is excessively generous, both in gifting stuff to the wizard, and in interpreting BBB in a broken manner, the Sorceror won't know that many spells fewer than the Wizard, either. As the Wizard (by your own statement) has spent GP to come up to the Sorceror's "Cast all day wihtout worry". If you truly believe thhis tripe you've just spouted off, then I daresay you've never made a proper stab at playing a sorceror, nor seen someone else do so. Ah, how nice, a long post and then a parting shot of "so long". Nice one. As for emotionally invested; if you don't feel STRONGLY about something, why would you bother debating it at all, hmm? I honetly think you [b]have[/b] been trolling. Your parting remark above only clinches it for me. [/QUOTE]
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