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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Velenne" data-source="post: 21529" data-attributes="member: 1856">Ok, got my handy dandy PHB and PsiHB here next to me and I've done the math.  Here's how it turns out.Note: I'm dropping one of the "+1 Effective CL" from the PrC.  This limits the Alyssarhi to never being able to cast his own 9th level spells. (He loses 3 spellcaster levels with this PrC, maxing him out at 17th CL (10 sorceror + 7 effecive from Prc))Method: The earliest a character could aquire the Alyssarhi Elder ability is 18th character level.  He would have taken the PrC at 9th level, having met the prereqs to cast 4th level spells at 8th level.  So taking 1st level of PrC at 9th, means he's 10th level PrC at 18th character level.  Comparing the Alyssarhi Elder to an 18th level Psion, we find the following:Total Pooled Sorceror Spell levels (18 CHA):6+12+18+24+30+36+28+10(Bonus spell levels) = 154Total Pooled Psion Power Points (18 primary score):147+16(bonus PP's)= 163Though the Psion could manifest 9th level power by this point, the Sorceror could only cast 7th, so we will compare the casting/manifesting using 7th level spells/powers.Alyssarhi Elder:7th level spell / 154 total spell levels = 22 7th level spell per dayPsion:7th level power / 163 power points = 12 7th level powers per daySo we see that the Alyssarhi absolutely annihilates the Psion.  To take the example further, an identical comparison was made using 20th level characters casting/manifesting 8th level spells/powers (because this is the highest the level the Alyssarhi can cast):Alyssarhi Elder:8th level spell / 210 total spell levels = 26 8th level spells per day.Psion:8th level power / 199 power points = 13 8th level powers per day.Using the given data, I can hypothesize a simple solution:One the Alyssarhi Elder has honed all of his casting abilities into a single, large spell pool, he must then pay twice the level of the spell he wishes to cast in spell levels in order to cast it.  So a 7th level spell would cost him 14 spell levels to cast, and a 6th level spell would cost him 12 spell levels to cast and so forth.  Using this rule, the classes balance much more readily:18th level Alyssarhi Elder:7th level spell (costing 14 spells levels) / 154 total spell levels = 11 7th level spells per day.18th level Psion:As above, can use 12 7th level powers per day.And in the 20th level comparison, the comparison is even:20th level Alyssarhi Elder:8th level spell (costing 16 spell levels) / 210 total spell levels = 13 8th level spells per day.20th level Psion:As above, can manifest 13 8th level powers per day.So the goal of making an "arcane psion" is reached, IMHO, while keeping with the balance of the two classes.</blockquote>

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