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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jerichothebard" data-source="post: 1977005" data-attributes="member: 4705">OK - a few things here.  1 - In my experience, sorcerers very rarely take magical item creation feats, because they can usually make so few of them - they don't often have all the required spells, so their ability is very limited.2 - Sorcerers can use magic items without the use magic item skill.  They can automatically use any spell-completion or spell-trigger item (i.e. wands, staves, scrolls), so long as the spell it casts is on their class spell list - even if they can't cast it!  And, of course, they can use any wondrous item, armor, or weapons for which they make the requirements.3 - Sorcerer's Charisma DOES affect their spells - they get to cast more per day and the DC goes up for higher CHA, exactly as a wizard's INT.  They do NOT, however, get to learn more spells then the table indicates, barring feats or house rules.4 - Eschew materials is such a negligible feat anyway, in my campaign, sorcerers get it for free.  No trade-off required.Now, to answer your question...Spellfire is not something I'm familiar with, so I can't really comment, but it seems like, were I playing a sorcerer, I would totally trade magic item creation ability for it, if it does anything cool at all.  Something I wouldn't use for something I would?  Sounds like a deal to me!Would I allow this as a DM?  Probably not.  At least, not for free.</blockquote>