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<blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 2617697" data-attributes="member: 3051"><p>Yes, that is a severe limitation. But let's back it off, a bit; if you could use your 5th and 6th-level spell slots this way (and honestly, what serious Sorcerer doesn't have a CHA of 20-22 by level 20?), that's still a tremendous amount of flexibility. Even if you're only talking about a single spell slot, the ability to cast any mid-level spell on your spell list in it is HUGE. There are tons of Sorcerer spells that are just too specialized for people to waste known slots on, but this Feat would make those easily accessible.</p><p></p><p>The fact that it's only usable for the "bonus" slots doesn't actually matter that much, anyway. The vast majority of the spells you'll want to cast will be those you already know; this Feat would only be used sporadically to begin with.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wasn't just thinking about magic items, although that's the classic example. There are spells that add +10 or +20 to the next skill check, for instance, and spells and abilities that allow re-rolls. Since we're talking about an ability that is only used a small number of times per day, these can be used extremely well. I really think you need to get away from the whole concept of a skill check, and to me the name similarity isn't nearly enough reason to keep it this way.</p><p></p><p>Limiting it by spell school is an excellent way to bring it in line. Require Spell Focus as a prerequisite, and change it to "When the feat is selected, select one school of magic for which you have Spell Focus. You can make a Weave check to cast an unknown spell of that school on your spell list. This Feat may be taken multiple times; each time, a new school for which you have Spell Focus is chosen." It wouldn't open up the entire spell list, that way.</p><p></p><p>There are other possible ways to limit it:</p><p>> Add a 1- or 2-level penalty. That is, a 9th-level slot can be used for 7th-level spells (i.e., similar to <em>limited wish</em> or the various shadow magic spells; note that the shadow spells are school-limited).</p><p>> Have it cost extra slots. For instance, to Weave a level X spell, you have to lose both a level X slot and an extra slot of at least X-2.</p><p></p><p>It's not really the low-level stuff that's the problem. Since 3.0, I've played a Psion with the <em>master dorje</em> feat (translation: use your spell slots to cast spells out of a wand without expending charges), and carried around a bunch of almost-depleted low-level dorjes to take advantage of this. But that feat is inherently limited to low-levels, since you can't make wands out of high-level abilities. I'd aim for the same sort of thing here.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatzimaus, post: 2617697, member: 3051"] Yes, that is a severe limitation. But let's back it off, a bit; if you could use your 5th and 6th-level spell slots this way (and honestly, what serious Sorcerer doesn't have a CHA of 20-22 by level 20?), that's still a tremendous amount of flexibility. Even if you're only talking about a single spell slot, the ability to cast any mid-level spell on your spell list in it is HUGE. There are tons of Sorcerer spells that are just too specialized for people to waste known slots on, but this Feat would make those easily accessible. The fact that it's only usable for the "bonus" slots doesn't actually matter that much, anyway. The vast majority of the spells you'll want to cast will be those you already know; this Feat would only be used sporadically to begin with. I wasn't just thinking about magic items, although that's the classic example. There are spells that add +10 or +20 to the next skill check, for instance, and spells and abilities that allow re-rolls. Since we're talking about an ability that is only used a small number of times per day, these can be used extremely well. I really think you need to get away from the whole concept of a skill check, and to me the name similarity isn't nearly enough reason to keep it this way. Limiting it by spell school is an excellent way to bring it in line. Require Spell Focus as a prerequisite, and change it to "When the feat is selected, select one school of magic for which you have Spell Focus. You can make a Weave check to cast an unknown spell of that school on your spell list. This Feat may be taken multiple times; each time, a new school for which you have Spell Focus is chosen." It wouldn't open up the entire spell list, that way. There are other possible ways to limit it: > Add a 1- or 2-level penalty. That is, a 9th-level slot can be used for 7th-level spells (i.e., similar to [i]limited wish[/i] or the various shadow magic spells; note that the shadow spells are school-limited). > Have it cost extra slots. For instance, to Weave a level X spell, you have to lose both a level X slot and an extra slot of at least X-2. It's not really the low-level stuff that's the problem. Since 3.0, I've played a Psion with the [i]master dorje[/i] feat (translation: use your spell slots to cast spells out of a wand without expending charges), and carried around a bunch of almost-depleted low-level dorjes to take advantage of this. But that feat is inherently limited to low-levels, since you can't make wands out of high-level abilities. I'd aim for the same sort of thing here. [/QUOTE]
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