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<blockquote data-quote="DreamChaser" data-source="post: 503545" data-attributes="member: 1190">I have always thought of sorcerers as using something that sits between spells and spell like abilities.&nbsp; for balance reasons, obviously they need to be spells but still it is innate, &quot;raw&quot; magic.Wizards on the other hand learn to use something (be it scientific principle or ancient runes) to harness a force that is foreign to them.Metamagic feats are entirely different things for these two classes.Lets say that wizards scribe runic sentences to prepare their spells.&nbsp; For them a metamagic feat would be akin to a diacritic mark (like the accents in résumé) that change&nbsp; the &quot;meaning&quot; of the spell sentence ever so slightly.&nbsp; Without the diacritics, résumé would just tell us to start again (resume).Now lets say that sorcerers are born with a link to one of the elemental planes.&nbsp;&nbsp; They learn to focus the energy that they can channel forth in different ways (spells).&nbsp; The training is intense so they can only learn a limited number.&nbsp; Every so often a sorcerer might learn, along with her spells, a technique to manipulate the way that she channels, allowing her to pull more energy at once, channel without speaking to focus her thoughts, or even channel instantaneously.The word &quot;metamagic&quot; sounds all academic and sciency but really they could easily be called &quot;mystic form feats&quot; or &quot;arcane secret feats&quot;Now what I really don't get is how to justify metamagic feats on divine spells.&nbsp; What mortal is going to inform their deity that praying outloud for their spell is just a waste of time?&nbsp; &quot;You don't want to make the divine gestures this time?&nbsp; Looks like it's time for deific wrath against whiny cleric.&quot;Just another thought to stir the pot.-DC</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DreamChaser, post: 503545, member: 1190"] I have always thought of sorcerers as using something that sits between spells and spell like abilities. for balance reasons, obviously they need to be spells but still it is innate, "raw" magic. Wizards on the other hand learn to use something (be it scientific principle or ancient runes) to harness a force that is foreign to them. Metamagic feats are entirely different things for these two classes. Lets say that wizards scribe runic sentences to prepare their spells. For them a metamagic feat would be akin to a diacritic mark (like the accents in résumé) that change the "meaning" of the spell sentence ever so slightly. Without the diacritics, résumé would just tell us to start again (resume). Now lets say that sorcerers are born with a link to one of the elemental planes. They learn to focus the energy that they can channel forth in different ways (spells). The training is intense so they can only learn a limited number. Every so often a sorcerer might learn, along with her spells, a technique to manipulate the way that she channels, allowing her to pull more energy at once, channel without speaking to focus her thoughts, or even channel instantaneously. The word "metamagic" sounds all academic and sciency but really they could easily be called "mystic form feats" or "arcane secret feats" Now what I really don't get is how to justify metamagic feats on divine spells. What mortal is going to inform their deity that praying outloud for their spell is just a waste of time? "You don't want to make the divine gestures this time? Looks like it's time for deific wrath against whiny cleric." Just another thought to stir the pot. -DC [/QUOTE]

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