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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 2393865" data-attributes="member: 32164">Ryan,I have to say that to me as a gamer, a businessman, and a marketing MBA, this is all incredibly fascinating.Obviously, Peter's notions of what constituted "fun" were highly influential in the design of 3e. Personally, I think it's also safe to say thatGary Gygax's notions of what constituted "fun" were hugely influential on the earliest editions of the game. I'm not sure whose notions of "fun" guided 2nd Edition. I've seen elements of that in d20 Modern as well - the designers' personal idea of "fun" guided the game.Do you think enough has been done to take players' notions of what constitutes "fun" into account? Obviously, to me, that's largely the point of playtesting, and speaks to how important playtesting is to game design, especially when considering new rules. Basically, it seems to me that playtesting is a form of in-depth market research. I think everyone's probably right that maybe 3e didn't go far enough in "simplifying itself" in this regard. I think you'd get an "AMEN!" from all but the most munchkin gamers for this one. More understandable rules combined with less power inflation? (especially if you still involves increasing complexity). Sign me up. Personally, I think one of the attractions of Castles & Crusades is that it is very close to D&D. The fallback position of C&C, therefore, is defaulting back to the 3e ruleset. In many cases, I think this ruleset has been internalized by the DM in question to such a degree that he's not even aware of defaulting back to it. The early adopters of C&C are certainly primarily people who have played 3e, so how well it will spread is an interesting question.What sorts of valuable things are you talking about? I'm very intrigued. I can certainly see gaming aids as one example (Fiery Dragon's Battle Box comes to mind).</blockquote>

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