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Soulknife as a PrC (1.0)
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<blockquote data-quote="Satori" data-source="post: 3512328" data-attributes="member: 37233"><p>Technik, this is Nicholas from your group.</p><p></p><p>You've done a lot of work here! You've also been hit pretty hard by some critics!</p><p></p><p>I'll send you an email in a bit, but let me weigh in on this idea since I'll likely be encountering this at some point.</p><p></p><p>1. I agree that the Soulknife Base Class is weak...but it isn't unplayable. It flutters somewhere between the Monk and the Bard in usefulness, and is typically played more for "Flavor" than any perceived benefit.</p><p></p><p>-That being said, I don't necessarily believe that an underpowered class needs to be pumped up to overshadow other classes. </p><p></p><p>Your 20 level revised Soulknife Base Class has d10 HD, Full BAB, 4 SP/level, a GAGGLE of feats, and the equivalent of a +8 FREE weapon...not to mention several critical powers like Bladewind, Knife to the Soul, and others.</p><p></p><p>In effect, why would I play a Fighter or Psionic Warrior when this option is available? I'll have the same HD, the same BAB (higher than Psywarrior), as many feats (more than the Psywarrior), more skill points, and a handful of VERY powerful abilities (Bladewind and Knife to the Soul are HUGE).</p><p></p><p>My opinion?</p><p>-Lower the BAB to 3/4, lower the HD to d8, and you're ROUGHLY equal to Psywarrior. </p><p>-Lower the SP to 2/level, HALVE your number of feats, and you're roughly equal to a Fighter.</p><p></p><p>2. The 15th level PrClass has some minor issues as well.</p><p>-The class is currently enterable at 4th level. This bothers me. Raise the Concentration requirement to 8 ranks to fix this.</p><p>-Too many bonus feats. +1 Manifestor and 1 Bonus Feat are NOT equal. 1 Bonus feat every other level is the equivalent to a Fighter, and is the Fighter's ONLY claim to fame. +1 Manifestor level is a HUGE penalty to any manifestor...which means it sufficiently balances out the class. Remove the bonus feat option.</p><p>-You delayed Knife to the Soul four levels in exchange for the ability to use Mind Blank as a power. That seems fair. </p><p>-The end result of a 20th level Soulknife is a +9 Mindblade. The end result of your 15th level Soulknife is also a +9 Mindblade. That seems fair.</p><p>-The final issue with this PrClass is the requirements. Prestige Classes are meant to cost the PC something in terms of "Crunchy Munchkin Power" to enter. A wizard has to sacrifice one caster level by taking a level of fighter in order to enter Eldritch Knight. A Psywarrior has to waste a feat on "Track" to get into "Slayer". Either way, a Base Class needs to sacrifice SOMETHING to get into an ideal Prestige Class.</p><p></p><p>None of your classes require this sacrifice. You sort of stumble upon the requirements as you level, as the requirements are natural skill choices for the class. I think the sacrifice is important.</p><p></p><p>3. 10th level Soulknife Prestige Class.</p><p>-Add a sacrifice (wasted feat, etc...)</p><p>-Lower the BAB to 3/4 and the HD to d8 </p><p>or</p><p>-Remove the bonus feat option and lower the SP to 2.</p><p></p><p>---</p><p></p><p>Let me end by saying that I think your analytical way of looking at possible Soulknife possibilities is admirable. In fact, with these changes I'd actually consider playing some variant of Soulknife in the unforseeable future. I'd be curious to see what you'd come up with if I asked your help on some "Character Class Ideas" I've recently been stewing over (one being a combination of Palading/Monk that doesn't slobber danglies like the Argent Fist).</p><p></p><p>However, I do think that creating a class for your own character is ALWAYS a dangerous path. Temptation is simply too great...and you aren't tempered by the Silver Flame as Scott and I are ;p</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Satori, post: 3512328, member: 37233"] Technik, this is Nicholas from your group. You've done a lot of work here! You've also been hit pretty hard by some critics! I'll send you an email in a bit, but let me weigh in on this idea since I'll likely be encountering this at some point. 1. I agree that the Soulknife Base Class is weak...but it isn't unplayable. It flutters somewhere between the Monk and the Bard in usefulness, and is typically played more for "Flavor" than any perceived benefit. -That being said, I don't necessarily believe that an underpowered class needs to be pumped up to overshadow other classes. Your 20 level revised Soulknife Base Class has d10 HD, Full BAB, 4 SP/level, a GAGGLE of feats, and the equivalent of a +8 FREE weapon...not to mention several critical powers like Bladewind, Knife to the Soul, and others. In effect, why would I play a Fighter or Psionic Warrior when this option is available? I'll have the same HD, the same BAB (higher than Psywarrior), as many feats (more than the Psywarrior), more skill points, and a handful of VERY powerful abilities (Bladewind and Knife to the Soul are HUGE). My opinion? -Lower the BAB to 3/4, lower the HD to d8, and you're ROUGHLY equal to Psywarrior. -Lower the SP to 2/level, HALVE your number of feats, and you're roughly equal to a Fighter. 2. The 15th level PrClass has some minor issues as well. -The class is currently enterable at 4th level. This bothers me. Raise the Concentration requirement to 8 ranks to fix this. -Too many bonus feats. +1 Manifestor and 1 Bonus Feat are NOT equal. 1 Bonus feat every other level is the equivalent to a Fighter, and is the Fighter's ONLY claim to fame. +1 Manifestor level is a HUGE penalty to any manifestor...which means it sufficiently balances out the class. Remove the bonus feat option. -You delayed Knife to the Soul four levels in exchange for the ability to use Mind Blank as a power. That seems fair. -The end result of a 20th level Soulknife is a +9 Mindblade. The end result of your 15th level Soulknife is also a +9 Mindblade. That seems fair. -The final issue with this PrClass is the requirements. Prestige Classes are meant to cost the PC something in terms of "Crunchy Munchkin Power" to enter. A wizard has to sacrifice one caster level by taking a level of fighter in order to enter Eldritch Knight. A Psywarrior has to waste a feat on "Track" to get into "Slayer". Either way, a Base Class needs to sacrifice SOMETHING to get into an ideal Prestige Class. None of your classes require this sacrifice. You sort of stumble upon the requirements as you level, as the requirements are natural skill choices for the class. I think the sacrifice is important. 3. 10th level Soulknife Prestige Class. -Add a sacrifice (wasted feat, etc...) -Lower the BAB to 3/4 and the HD to d8 or -Remove the bonus feat option and lower the SP to 2. --- Let me end by saying that I think your analytical way of looking at possible Soulknife possibilities is admirable. In fact, with these changes I'd actually consider playing some variant of Soulknife in the unforseeable future. I'd be curious to see what you'd come up with if I asked your help on some "Character Class Ideas" I've recently been stewing over (one being a combination of Palading/Monk that doesn't slobber danglies like the Argent Fist). However, I do think that creating a class for your own character is ALWAYS a dangerous path. Temptation is simply too great...and you aren't tempered by the Silver Flame as Scott and I are ;p [/QUOTE]
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