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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgsugden" data-source="post: 8131581" data-attributes="member: 2629">Under the RAW:For every ability check there is a DC.  The DM may allow a partial success if the DC is not met, but there is one DC that determines success.After the ability check, the DM determines if it is a failure.  There is no place where the DM tells the player it was a failure.If the player is a Soulknife and has dice available, they can elect to roll a die when they have a failure. If the additional die makes it a success, then the die is used up.  If not, the die is not used up.This is how I see it all playing out.Bob says he wants to look around to see if anything out of the ordinary is there.  The DM asks for a Widsom (Perception) roll.  Bob rolls and gets a 22 total.  The DM had set a DC 23 to see the invisible creature standing by the table.  As he was very close, the DM gives Bob a hint that there is an invisible creature, there, but does not tell him he detected an invisible creature.  "Bob, everything seems normal at first, but a flicker of movement catches your eye on the table.  It looks like a piece of parchment on the table was blown by the wind... but there is no wind inside that you can feel."  Bob failed the roll because he did not meet the DC.  He might think he made the roll because he saw something.  He might think he failed because what he saw was not particularly revealing.  Either way, he can ask to use his knack.The DM will tell him to roll.  In this instance, any roll will make it a success, and he'll be told of the invisible creature.  The DM will tell him a die has been used and reveal the location of the invisible creature.In a slightly different scenario, where there is no invisible creature in the room, but merely a breeze blowing into the room from under the table, a roll of 15 might be all that was necessary to note paper moving.  Bob's 22 that tells him the paper is moving might be a total success.  If Bob asks to use the die, the DM can tell him to roll the die, and then tell him he saw nothing additional and not to subtract a die.</blockquote>

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