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<blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 8132985" data-attributes="member: 15882">Triple Post:For the record, when someone says, &quot;I INSIGHT THEM&quot; or &quot;I'm looking out for tells to see if they are lying&quot;And you have them roll insight, does the person they are using the skill against need to be lying in order to succeed or fail?&nbsp; Because, to me, whether or not the person is lying, being able to tell they are being honest is as useful as being able to tell if they are are being dishonest.Therefore, if the person is telling the truth and you make the Player roll, and they fail to be able to tell if the person is being truthful, I think you can still say, &quot;hey, you failed to discern any obvious signs that they are lying, do you want to use a dice?&quot;&nbsp; If they use a dice and then succeed, you can say, 'you can tell by their mannerisms that they don't seem to sincere in what they are saying'.You don't have to tell the player whether they succeed or fail.&nbsp; Just tell them what their character notices.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you think it would be more useful to the player to tell them they succeeded, tell them so.&nbsp; Like I said above, knowing someone is being truthful is as useful as knowing if they are being dishonest.&nbsp; Either way, it's a successful roll.If it isn't useful, then why make them roll at all?&nbsp; Just give them the answer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TaranTheWanderer, post: 8132985, member: 15882"] Triple Post: For the record, when someone says, "I INSIGHT THEM" or "I'm looking out for tells to see if they are lying" And you have them roll insight, does the person they are using the skill against need to be lying in order to succeed or fail? Because, to me, whether or not the person is lying, being able to tell they are being honest is as useful as being able to tell if they are are being dishonest. Therefore, if the person is telling the truth and you make the Player roll, and they fail to be able to tell if the person is being truthful, I think you can still say, "hey, you failed to discern any obvious signs that they are lying, do you want to use a dice?" If they use a dice and then succeed, you can say, 'you can tell by their mannerisms that they don't seem to sincere in what they are saying'. You don't have to tell the player whether they succeed or fail. Just tell them what their character notices. If you think it would be more useful to the player to tell them they succeeded, tell them so. Like I said above, knowing someone is being truthful is as useful as knowing if they are being dishonest. Either way, it's a successful roll. If it isn't useful, then why make them roll at all? Just give them the answer. [/QUOTE]

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