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<blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 8133041" data-attributes="member: 59057">That only works if you roll for your players. Otherwise a bad roll might just be as good as a good one. Oh. Insight 5. Ok I can tell that it is the truth. Ok he must be lying.To your other point. A DC 20 check against a good lyer might give the result: you think they are telling the truth.Yes, I know. A good check then makes it worse than a botched one. Someone who is really good at a thing and is usually the best might be catched off guard by someone who is better.Although handling it this way is indeed poblematic if you say: you are sure that the person is truthful... but keep your die. So maybe it is indeed better to just let the soul knife roll. And only spend it if they detect a lie if they ask for a lie. (insight vs deception) and if the other person wants to convince you that they are telling the truth: They roll persuasion... but what is the DC and what is your DC for the insight check, as your insight check needs to be easier if they roll good. Maybe if the succeed on a hard check, you need to succeed on an easy one? Medium - medium and so on? Maybe its 30 - the persuasion check result?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UngeheuerLich, post: 8133041, member: 59057"] That only works if you roll for your players. Otherwise a bad roll might just be as good as a good one. Oh. Insight 5. Ok I can tell that it is the truth. Ok he must be lying. To your other point. A DC 20 check against a good lyer might give the result: you think they are telling the truth. Yes, I know. A good check then makes it worse than a botched one. Someone who is really good at a thing and is usually the best might be catched off guard by someone who is better. Although handling it this way is indeed poblematic if you say: you are sure that the person is truthful... but keep your die. So maybe it is indeed better to just let the soul knife roll. And only spend it if they detect a lie if they ask for a lie. (insight vs deception) and if the other person wants to convince you that they are telling the truth: They roll persuasion... but what is the DC and what is your DC for the insight check, as your insight check needs to be easier if they roll good. Maybe if the succeed on a hard check, you need to succeed on an easy one? Medium - medium and so on? Maybe its 30 - the persuasion check result? [/QUOTE]

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