space philosophies

garrowolf

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Iwas thinking about tech levels and philisophies and i started to come up with some generalizations that i found intersting. I was wondering if anyone else had any ideas relating to this.

Low tech philosophy focuses on foundation philosophies such as the foundations of existence and perception philosophies about how your emotions dictacte percption.

Medium and high tech philosophies get into incusion of groups - ie ethics, the exclusion of groups -ie racisim, and the origin of rights - human or divine.

FTL tech philosophies seem to foucs on interference such as the Prime Directive versus explotation

I know that this is a huge amount of generalization but does anyone have any other ideas for philosophies that are more distinctly based in high tech to FTL tech situations?
 

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I don't think the real world is nearly that simple ans straightforward.

I think the sciences keep driving philosophy to reform and reconsider that which you are considering "low tech" philosophy - the nature of existence. The more we learn about existence, the more we have to concentrate our philosophy upon existence.

That being said, philosophy is not a technological phenomenon, but a cultural one.
 

I didn't mean to say that the lower tech philosophies stop being debated. However new situations bring new issues and therefore new philosophies for dealing with them. I can't think of a greater change in mindset then with the introduction of other alien races.

So what kind of new philosophies would pop up because of this new situation?
 

I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as that garrowolf. Ethics can continue to elude people at any level of technology and have them struggle with cultural prejudices. Also technology might "resurrect" philosophies that were considered "solved" such as when Data, an android from TNG, is being forced to be studied upon and Captain Picard and others must prove he is alive and thus has sentience.
 


I'm not sure of your categorizations cutting along technology levels or even as philosophies.

I'm certain high tech and low tech people are both concerned with the nature of existance. Some people today who own iPhones have the same religion as people from 2000 years ago and believe in the exact same nature of existance.

At most, I think ideas on the nature of existance may have gotten more complex, but not necessarily contradictory to ancient ideas. Consider what some people think quantum physics science can explain about existance and how it explains prior beliefs.

The other ideas GW talks of, have to do with treatment of Groups and Others. I don't know if those count as philosophies or not, but I don't see a tech level consideration. Some cultures are nicer to other groups than others.

Many people consider native american beliefs to be nicer regarding nature than modern american practices. Knowing not to litter and to share isn't a function of how much technology you have.


Concepts like the Prime Directive are just extensions of being nice to other groups and respecting their culture without trying to change them. We didn't need warp drive to learn that from the vulcans. We can see the impact on primitive cultures in south america and there are attempts in some places to be more careful about that kind of thing.
 

Perhaps another way to look at philosophy and technology is by perspective.

Aristotle is going to consider and describe things from the perspective of a guy living in Ancient Greece. His best analogy probably involves a cave and shadow puppets (and I probably just picked the wrong guy...)

[MENTION=177]Umbran[/MENTION] is a physicist who probably knows alot about quantum physics and stuff and if he espoused the nature of the universe. Quantum physics stuff is still mostly a theory, and not actual fact. You can't see a quantum doohickey and prove it exists. You can't shift to a sidereal universe or time travel or teleport, despite all the cool ideas and math.

Captain Picard of the 23rd and half century, has been to a few parallel dimensions and time traveled, and his ship runs on quantum fuel, would probably give a completely different and more complex nature of the universe discussion because he knows more actual facts about the univers than Umbran has theories for.

The technology doesn't define the philosophy, but the more advanced and broad your universe view, the more that reflects on how you view and describe things.
 

Okay how about i ask this from a different perspective. I am looking for some alien philosophies to explore. Please dont just say to have them explore the same concepts as humans.
 

Quantum physics stuff is still mostly a theory, and not actual fact.

I don't expect anyone wants me to go into the flaws of this statement, so I will leave it at this:

The chips in your computer are designed using the laws of quantum mechanics, and require reality to follow the laws of quantum mechanics in order to function. So, if QM is "not actual fact", how is it that you're posting on a website? Somehow, they did a lot of math that was really false, but still predictably gets thousands of different electronic devices to work?
 

I don't expect anyone wants me to go into the flaws of this statement, so I will leave it at this:

Sorry for vexxing your sense of science fact. The ancient Greeks thought stuff was made of earth, air, fire and water. At best, they named the four states of matter. Your knowledge of physics is better than theirs, and thus it would influence your view of the nature of the universe. However, like Aristotle, what you just declared as pretty much fact, Captain Picard's scientific world has likely corrected with visual sightings of both the Higgs and Iiggs (I comes after H) bosons that actually occurred during the early 21st century experiments in Switzerland.

It was more a metaphor that you haven't truly seen a Higgs particle or other quantum physics stuff like string theory.

You have math and tests that indicate the idea is correct, but you haven't actually unraveled the whole ball of wax of how the universe works and seen it in a microscope.

Captain Picard has seen a Higgs Particle with the help of 23rd and a half based technology. The stuff your knowledge says is probably true, will be absolutely proven true or false by then, leaving new unexplained theoretical layers that HIS generation is pondering about the nature of existance.

Take germs for instance. Pre-microscope, I can tell you this stuff exists, it's really tiny. it makes you sick. I'm right, but I don't have any definitive proof. I can make you wash your hands, and demonstrate how you don't get sick as often as proof. It's not wrong, but it's not as definitive as "Look into this microscope. See that squiggly stuff? That's germs. You're sick, you got lots of them. I'm not, I don't have lots of them."

I have no idea if we're actually able to see atoms yet. Atomic microscope implies it by the name, but I suspect that's just artisitic license for "really powerful microsope".

Either way, there's a big difference between having some math and tests that say "this thing we can't actually see, scored in this range on this here meter, proving it exists" which is different from having sufficient technology to ACTUALLY see the thing you are trying to prove exists.

In any event, it demonstrated my point, by means of my mis-stating the current science. Umbran clearly has a definite view of the nature of existance (from a physics perspective). His advanced knowledge informs his understanding of the nature of existance. (that's not snark, he studies this stuff, he knows his stuff. I do not.)

300 years from now, however, a scientist's view of what Umbran's describes will be as his view of my example.

The chips in your computer are designed using the laws of quantum mechanics, and require reality to follow the laws of quantum mechanics in order to function. So, if QM is "not actual fact", how is it that you're posting on a website? Somehow, they did a lot of math that was really false, but still predictably gets thousands of different electronic devices to work?

As always, I'm probably not qualified to answer this. The chips in my computer were designed using the laws of electricity and the thermodynamics.

It probably did not take a physics major to invent the first computer, or the second. Or possibly even the transistor. And for quite a long time, it was Electrical Engineering majors who became computer programmers, designers, etc. I've never worked with a physicist when I was in the computer industry.

Of course quantum mechanics are defining the laws of electricity, chemistry, thermodynamics etc. But at the layer of science that's needed to design a computer or create a new drug, it's off the radar. Such that an entirerly different theory could be proposed that gets the exact same results in the physical world, but has a completely different break down of what's inside a proton, etc.

If nothing else, I surmise that Umbran sees quantum mechanics as fact. I see it as probably right, but until you put a Higgs boson on the main viewer and I can emit them from the deflector array, you haven't proven it, and in fact there's yet room for ammendment.
 

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