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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Janx" data-source="post: 5893152" data-attributes="member: 8835">those are good points.  (bear in mind, I am not fool enough to argue actual science with Umbran, he does this stuff for a living).Though we may have identified a philosphy for the OP.  People who don't trust that something is true until it has been verified in as absolute terms as possible.  String theory might be true, but I don't have a Quantum Guitar to play yet.  Aliens might exist, but we haven't been to another planet that has life yet.As always, I'm ignorant, but I don't know that cellphones are designed with a quantum physicist on staff.  I know that servers and processors aren't.The conciept I see is that because QM is a building block science, it claims ownership and definition of all other sciences because it defines atoms, electricity, gravity, light and all the stuff everything else is made of.  Of course all the other sciences obey the laws of QM, it's because the QM laws define the other laws.But somebody working on a processor or a new cellphone communication protocol isn't considering the laws of QM.  They are beyond the scope of concern.**If my statement is correct, it is probably becoming less correct as things get smaller and more impacted by QM concerns.  the guy who made ENIAC had no concern over QM.</blockquote>