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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngainlyTitan" data-source="post: 5029877" data-attributes="member: 28487">I cannot comment on M&M or True20 since I never played either not read the rules. I don't get a lot of opportunities to play in a given year and the people I play with want D&D and often I run the game. I was never happy with DM'ing 3.5 and none of of the variant I got to look at seemed to me to be simpler than 3.5.However, I am not convinced that 3.5 or 4e without hit points would be a much simpler game. Of course none one here is conducting the kind of experiments that went into working out how many flavours of sauce or coffee were required to cover the market.  Doing that alone would be a formidable piece of work and pretty expensive.You would have to get large groups to play a large number of variants to the game segmented a variety of axises, from the simple chargen + simple abstract combat to heavy crunch and all the variations between.How may play sessions of each type per group before you have valid results?</blockquote>