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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4889129" data-attributes="member: 35909">Why not use scorching ray as the benchmark?  It's a level 2 touch attack fire spell, only ranged, with up to 3 shots, and no extra save (though that part of combust is rather inconsequential, IMO).Sorching Ray: Caps at CL 11 for 12d6 (avg. 42) fire damage.Combust: Caps at CL 10 for 10d8 (avg. 45) fire damage.Combust has the advantage of a little more damage, and all in one shot, making it better at overcoming fire resistance.  Also, the catch on fire effect.  Scorching Ray is ranged (a big advantage, generally) and has several shots (less chance of completely missing and doing no damage due to a nat 1; ability to multitarget).Now, granted, combust tends to be better damage from levels 3-10 all the way, but I don't think it's any better than Scorching ray, or not that much better.</blockquote>