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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6034649" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>It averages a point less damage per hit, whether that's advantageous depends on the to-hit requirements.</p><p></p><p>Hmm, I suspect it'll be better off with a battleaxe/handaxe combo since it doesn't have fighter-only feats like Weapon Specialization.</p><p></p><p>Let's see...</p><p></p><p>1d8+2/1d8+1 with -4 attack vs 1d6+2/1d6+1 with -2 attack.</p><p></p><p>Let's compare average damages over medium to high hit probabilities, say 95% to 40% chances of hitting for the single weapon...</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.65 = <strong><span style="color: Red">9.075</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 95%</p><p>6.5*1.65 = <strong><span style="color: Red">10.725</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 95%</p><p>6.5*1.25 + 5.5*0.75 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>12.250</strong></span> hp/round with paired battleaxes 75%</p><p>5.5*1.45 + 4.5*0.85 = <strong><span style="color: Red">11.800</span></strong> hp/round with paired handaxes 85%</p><p>6.5*1.45 + 4.5*0.85 = <strong>13.250</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 85%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.55 = <strong><span style="color: Red">8.525</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 90%</p><p>6.5*1.55 = <strong><span style="color: Red">10.075</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 90%</p><p>6.5*1.15 + 5.5*0.70 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>11.325</strong></span> hp/round with paired battleaxes 70%</p><p>5.5*1.35 + 4.5*0.80 = <strong><span style="color: Red">11.025</span></strong> hp/round with paired handaxes 80%</p><p>6.5*1.35 + 4.5*0.80 = <strong>12.375</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 80%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.45 = <strong><span style="color: Red">7.975</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 85%</p><p>6.5*1.45 = <strong><span style="color: Red">9.425</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 85%</p><p>6.5*1.05 + 5.5*0.65 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>10.400</strong></span> hp/round with paired battleaxes 65%</p><p>5.5*1.25 + 4.5*0.75 = <span style="color: Red"><strong>10.250</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 75%</p><p>6.5*1.25 + 4.5*0.75 = <strong>11.500</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 75%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.35 = <strong><span style="color: Red">7.425</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 80%</p><p>6.5*1.35 = <span style="color: Red"><strong>8.775</strong></span> hp/round with single battleaxe 80%</p><p>6.5*0.95 + 5.5*0.60 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>9.475</strong></span> hp/round with paired battleaxes 60%</p><p>5.5*1.15 + 4.5*0.70 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>9.475</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 70%</p><p>6.5*1.15 + 4.5*0.70 = <strong>10.625</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 70%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.25 = <strong><span style="color: Red">6.875</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 75%</p><p>6.5*1.25 = <strong><span style="color: Red">8.125</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 75%</p><p>6.5*0.85 + 5.5*0.55 = <strong><span style="color: Red">8.550</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 55%</p><p>5.5*1.05 + 4.5*0.65 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>8.700</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 65%</p><p>6.5*1.05 + 4.5*0.65 = <strong>9.750</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 65%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.15 = <strong><span style="color: Red">6.325</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 70%</p><p>6.5*1.15 = <strong><span style="color: Red">7.475</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 70%</p><p>6.5*0.75 + 5.5*0.50 = <strong><span style="color: Red">7.625</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 50%</p><p>5.5*0.95 + 4.5*0.60 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>7.925</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 60%</p><p>6.5*0.95 + 4.5*0.60 = <strong>8.875</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 60%</p><p></p><p>5.5*1.05 = <strong><span style="color: Red">5.775</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 65%</p><p>6.5*1.05 = <strong><span style="color: Red">6.825</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 65%</p><p>6.5*0.65 + 5.5*0.45 = <strong><span style="color: Red">6.700</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 45%</p><p>5.5*0.85 + 4.5*0.55 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>7.150</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 55%</p><p>6.5*0.85 + 4.5*0.55 = <strong>8.000</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 55%</p><p></p><p>5.5*0.95 = <strong><span style="color: Red">5.225</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 60%</p><p>6.5*0.95 = <strong><span style="color: Red">6.175</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 60%</p><p>6.5*0.55 + 5.5*0.40 = <strong><span style="color: Red">5.775</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 40%</p><p>5.5*0.75 + 4.5*0.50 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>6.375</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 50%</p><p>6.5*0.75 + 4.5*0.50 = <strong>7.125</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 50%</p><p></p><p>5.5*0.85 = <strong><span style="color: Red">4.675</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 55%</p><p>6.5*0.85 = <strong><span style="color: Red">5.525</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 55%</p><p>6.5*0.45 + 5.5*0.35 = <strong><span style="color: Red">4.850</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 35%</p><p>5.5*0.65 + 4.5*0.45 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>5.600</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 45%</p><p>6.5*0.65 + 4.5*0.45 = <strong>6.250</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 45%</p><p></p><p>5.5*0.75 = <strong><span style="color: Red">4.125</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 50%</p><p>6.5*0.75 = <strong><span style="color: Red">4.875</span></strong> hp/round with single battleaxe 50%</p><p>6.5*0.35 + 5.5*0.30 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.925</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 30%</p><p>5.5*0.55 + 4.5*0.40 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>4.825</strong></span> hp/round with paired handaxes 40%</p><p>6.5*0.55 + 4.5*0.40 = <strong>5.375</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 40%</p><p></p><p>5.5*0.65 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.575</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 45%</p><p>6.5*0.65 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>4.225</strong></span> hp/round with single battleaxe 45%</p><p>6.5*0.30 + 5.5*0.25 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.325</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 25%</p><p>5.5*0.45 + 4.5*0.35 = <strong><span style="color: Red">4.025</span></strong> hp/round with paired handaxes 35%</p><p>6.5*0.45 + 4.5*0.35 = <strong>4.500</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 35%</p><p></p><p>5.5*0.55 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.025</span></strong> hp/round with single handaxe 40%</p><p>6.5*0.55 = <span style="color: DeepSkyBlue"><strong>3.575</strong></span> hp/round with single battleaxe 40%</p><p>6.5*0.25 + 5.5*0.30 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.275</span></strong> hp/round with paired battleaxes 20%</p><p>5.5*0.35 + 4.5*0.30 = <strong><span style="color: Red">3.225</span></strong> hp/round with paired handaxes 30%</p><p>6.5*0.35 + 4.5*0.30 = <strong>3.625</strong> hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 30%</p><p></p><p>Hmm, it appears that paired handaxes are better than paired battleaxes except against very easy to hit targets, and the battleaxe/handaxe combo is <strong>always</strong> better. If it was a fighter with lots of weapon feats the performance would probably skew in favour of one of the paired weapons, but we don't have to worry about that.</p><p></p><p>It'll probably only have Weapon Focus as an additional Weapon Feat, and a +1 attack is not enough to offset the -2 penalty difference between 1H/1H and 1H/light two weapon fighting.</p><p></p><p>So, shall we switch to battleaxe/handaxe?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6034649, member: 57383"] It averages a point less damage per hit, whether that's advantageous depends on the to-hit requirements. Hmm, I suspect it'll be better off with a battleaxe/handaxe combo since it doesn't have fighter-only feats like Weapon Specialization. Let's see... 1d8+2/1d8+1 with -4 attack vs 1d6+2/1d6+1 with -2 attack. Let's compare average damages over medium to high hit probabilities, say 95% to 40% chances of hitting for the single weapon... 5.5*1.65 = [B][COLOR=Red]9.075[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 95% 6.5*1.65 = [B][COLOR=Red]10.725[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 95% 6.5*1.25 + 5.5*0.75 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]12.250[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired battleaxes 75% 5.5*1.45 + 4.5*0.85 = [B][COLOR=Red]11.800[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired handaxes 85% 6.5*1.45 + 4.5*0.85 = [B]13.250[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 85% 5.5*1.55 = [B][COLOR=Red]8.525[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 90% 6.5*1.55 = [B][COLOR=Red]10.075[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 90% 6.5*1.15 + 5.5*0.70 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]11.325[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired battleaxes 70% 5.5*1.35 + 4.5*0.80 = [B][COLOR=Red]11.025[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired handaxes 80% 6.5*1.35 + 4.5*0.80 = [B]12.375[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 80% 5.5*1.45 = [B][COLOR=Red]7.975[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 85% 6.5*1.45 = [B][COLOR=Red]9.425[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 85% 6.5*1.05 + 5.5*0.65 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]10.400[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired battleaxes 65% 5.5*1.25 + 4.5*0.75 = [COLOR=Red][B]10.250[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 75% 6.5*1.25 + 4.5*0.75 = [B]11.500[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 75% 5.5*1.35 = [B][COLOR=Red]7.425[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 80% 6.5*1.35 = [COLOR=Red][B]8.775[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with single battleaxe 80% 6.5*0.95 + 5.5*0.60 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]9.475[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired battleaxes 60% 5.5*1.15 + 4.5*0.70 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]9.475[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 70% 6.5*1.15 + 4.5*0.70 = [B]10.625[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 70% 5.5*1.25 = [B][COLOR=Red]6.875[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 75% 6.5*1.25 = [B][COLOR=Red]8.125[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 75% 6.5*0.85 + 5.5*0.55 = [B][COLOR=Red]8.550[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 55% 5.5*1.05 + 4.5*0.65 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]8.700[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 65% 6.5*1.05 + 4.5*0.65 = [B]9.750[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 65% 5.5*1.15 = [B][COLOR=Red]6.325[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 70% 6.5*1.15 = [B][COLOR=Red]7.475[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 70% 6.5*0.75 + 5.5*0.50 = [B][COLOR=Red]7.625[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 50% 5.5*0.95 + 4.5*0.60 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]7.925[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 60% 6.5*0.95 + 4.5*0.60 = [B]8.875[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 60% 5.5*1.05 = [B][COLOR=Red]5.775[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 65% 6.5*1.05 = [B][COLOR=Red]6.825[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 65% 6.5*0.65 + 5.5*0.45 = [B][COLOR=Red]6.700[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 45% 5.5*0.85 + 4.5*0.55 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]7.150[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 55% 6.5*0.85 + 4.5*0.55 = [B]8.000[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 55% 5.5*0.95 = [B][COLOR=Red]5.225[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 60% 6.5*0.95 = [B][COLOR=Red]6.175[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 60% 6.5*0.55 + 5.5*0.40 = [B][COLOR=Red]5.775[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 40% 5.5*0.75 + 4.5*0.50 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]6.375[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 50% 6.5*0.75 + 4.5*0.50 = [B]7.125[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 50% 5.5*0.85 = [B][COLOR=Red]4.675[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 55% 6.5*0.85 = [B][COLOR=Red]5.525[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 55% 6.5*0.45 + 5.5*0.35 = [B][COLOR=Red]4.850[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 35% 5.5*0.65 + 4.5*0.45 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]5.600[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 45% 6.5*0.65 + 4.5*0.45 = [B]6.250[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 45% 5.5*0.75 = [B][COLOR=Red]4.125[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 50% 6.5*0.75 = [B][COLOR=Red]4.875[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single battleaxe 50% 6.5*0.35 + 5.5*0.30 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.925[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 30% 5.5*0.55 + 4.5*0.40 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]4.825[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with paired handaxes 40% 6.5*0.55 + 4.5*0.40 = [B]5.375[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 40% 5.5*0.65 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.575[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 45% 6.5*0.65 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]4.225[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with single battleaxe 45% 6.5*0.30 + 5.5*0.25 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.325[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 25% 5.5*0.45 + 4.5*0.35 = [B][COLOR=Red]4.025[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired handaxes 35% 6.5*0.45 + 4.5*0.35 = [B]4.500[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 35% 5.5*0.55 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.025[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with single handaxe 40% 6.5*0.55 = [COLOR=DeepSkyBlue][B]3.575[/B][/COLOR] hp/round with single battleaxe 40% 6.5*0.25 + 5.5*0.30 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.275[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired battleaxes 20% 5.5*0.35 + 4.5*0.30 = [B][COLOR=Red]3.225[/COLOR][/B] hp/round with paired handaxes 30% 6.5*0.35 + 4.5*0.30 = [B]3.625[/B] hp/round with battleaxe/handaxe 30% Hmm, it appears that paired handaxes are better than paired battleaxes except against very easy to hit targets, and the battleaxe/handaxe combo is [B]always[/B] better. If it was a fighter with lots of weapon feats the performance would probably skew in favour of one of the paired weapons, but we don't have to worry about that. It'll probably only have Weapon Focus as an additional Weapon Feat, and a +1 attack is not enough to offset the -2 penalty difference between 1H/1H and 1H/light two weapon fighting. So, shall we switch to battleaxe/handaxe? [/QUOTE]
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