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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9012095" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>So we're OK with the "Creating a Weredragon" text but the Size & Type is still under review.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem is that would drastically restrict what base creature options are possible.</p><p></p><p>If the Wyrmling it Tiny, then only Diminutive to Small humanoids and giants would be legal, meaning that a basic weredragon would have to be a halfling, gnome or the like.</p><p></p><p>I'd want standard Medium sized Humanoid weredragons (humans, half-orcs, elves etc) to use Wyrmling be default, and would prefer it to be an option for Giant weredragons.</p><p></p><p>Let's see, of the standard dragons with Level Adjustment, we've got the following sizes and LAs:</p><p></p><p><strong>Tiny:</strong> </p><p><em>Black</em> Wyrmling (+3);</p><p><em>Brass</em> Wyrmling (+2);</p><p><em>Copper</em> Wyrmling (+2);</p><p><em>White</em> Wyrmling (+2).</p><p><strong>Small:</strong> </p><p><em>Black</em> Very Young (+3);</p><p><em>Blue</em> Wyrmling (+4);</p><p><em>Brass</em> Very Young (+3);</p><p><em>Bronze</em> Wyrmling (+4);</p><p><em>Copper</em> Very Young (+3);</p><p><em>Green</em> Wyrmling (+5);</p><p><em>Silver</em> Wyrmling (+4);</p><p><em>White</em> Very Young (+3).</p><p><strong>Medium:</strong> </p><p><em>Black</em> Young (+3) & Juvenile (+4);</p><p><em>Blue</em> Very Young (+4) & Young (+5);</p><p><em>Brass</em> Young (+4) & Juvenile (+4);</p><p><em>Bronze</em> Very Young (+4) & Young (+6);</p><p><em>Copper</em> Young (+4) & Juvenile (+4);</p><p><em>Gold</em> Wyrmling (+4);</p><p><em>Green</em> Very Young (+5) & Young (+5);</p><p><em>Red</em> Wyrmling (+4);</p><p><em>Silver</em> Very Young (+4) & Young (+5);</p><p><em>White</em> Young (+3) & Juvenile (+5).</p><p><strong>Large:</strong> </p><p><em>Gold</em> Very Young (+5) & Young (+6);</p><p><em>Green</em> Young (+6);</p><p><em>Red</em> Very Young (+5) & Young (+6).</p><p></p><p>If the "must be within 1 size" rule applied a Human could <strong>not</strong> be a Black, Brass, Copper or White Wyrmling Weredragons because all those dragons are Tiny, while at the other end a Cloud Giant or Storm Giant could <strong>only</strong> be a Gold, Green or Red dragon because those are the only Large base dragons with LAs.</p><p></p><p>So I think we're better either allowing either any size category the dragon can occupy OR within 1 size category the dragon can occupy.</p><p></p><p>Standard dragons go from Tiny to Gargantuan (little dragons), Small to Colossal (average dragons) and Medium to Colossal (big dragons), so if we use the within 1 step rule to those ranges it allows for, say, a Halfling Gold Weredragon (Small humanoid & Medium dragon) but if only the dragon size range applied a Halfling Weredragon would be impossible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9012095, member: 57383"] So we're OK with the "Creating a Weredragon" text but the Size & Type is still under review. The problem is that would drastically restrict what base creature options are possible. If the Wyrmling it Tiny, then only Diminutive to Small humanoids and giants would be legal, meaning that a basic weredragon would have to be a halfling, gnome or the like. I'd want standard Medium sized Humanoid weredragons (humans, half-orcs, elves etc) to use Wyrmling be default, and would prefer it to be an option for Giant weredragons. Let's see, of the standard dragons with Level Adjustment, we've got the following sizes and LAs: [B]Tiny:[/B] [I]Black[/I] Wyrmling (+3); [I]Brass[/I] Wyrmling (+2); [I]Copper[/I] Wyrmling (+2); [I]White[/I] Wyrmling (+2). [B]Small:[/B] [I]Black[/I] Very Young (+3); [I]Blue[/I] Wyrmling (+4); [I]Brass[/I] Very Young (+3); [I]Bronze[/I] Wyrmling (+4); [I]Copper[/I] Very Young (+3); [I]Green[/I] Wyrmling (+5); [I]Silver[/I] Wyrmling (+4); [I]White[/I] Very Young (+3). [B]Medium:[/B] [I]Black[/I] Young (+3) & Juvenile (+4); [I]Blue[/I] Very Young (+4) & Young (+5); [I]Brass[/I] Young (+4) & Juvenile (+4); [I]Bronze[/I] Very Young (+4) & Young (+6); [I]Copper[/I] Young (+4) & Juvenile (+4); [I]Gold[/I] Wyrmling (+4); [I]Green[/I] Very Young (+5) & Young (+5); [I]Red[/I] Wyrmling (+4); [I]Silver[/I] Very Young (+4) & Young (+5); [I]White[/I] Young (+3) & Juvenile (+5). [B]Large:[/B] [I]Gold[/I] Very Young (+5) & Young (+6); [I]Green[/I] Young (+6); [I]Red[/I] Very Young (+5) & Young (+6). If the "must be within 1 size" rule applied a Human could [B]not[/B] be a Black, Brass, Copper or White Wyrmling Weredragons because all those dragons are Tiny, while at the other end a Cloud Giant or Storm Giant could [B]only[/B] be a Gold, Green or Red dragon because those are the only Large base dragons with LAs. So I think we're better either allowing either any size category the dragon can occupy OR within 1 size category the dragon can occupy. Standard dragons go from Tiny to Gargantuan (little dragons), Small to Colossal (average dragons) and Medium to Colossal (big dragons), so if we use the within 1 step rule to those ranges it allows for, say, a Halfling Gold Weredragon (Small humanoid & Medium dragon) but if only the dragon size range applied a Halfling Weredragon would be impossible. [/QUOTE]
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