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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9034492" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Yeah, it seems we were talking at cross-purposes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Urm, but post #1397 is nothing like that.</p><p></p><p>If I'm understanding you rightly, that would require us to drop the "base dragon must be a LA category" idea and go back to the "all age categories are possible" approach, but with the additional wrinkle that the age category must be within a size step of the base creature.</p><p></p><p>I don't care for that much.</p><p></p><p>Consider a Red Weredragon. If it were a Halfing (Small) it could ONLY be a Wyrmling (Medium) under that rule, but if it were a Cloud Giant (Huge) it could be any age from Very Young (Large) up to Wyrm (Gargantuan), with only Great Wyrm (Colossal) being unavailable.</p><p></p><p>Contrariwise, a Copper Weredragon could range from Wyrmling (Tiny) to Juvenile (Medium) as a Halfling and Young Adult (Large) to Great Wyrm (Gargantuan) as a Cloud Giant.</p><p></p><p>A Medium sized base creature like a human or elf could be Wyrmling (Medium) to Juvenile (Large) as a Red Dragon and Very Young (Small) to Adult (Large) as a Copper Dragon.</p><p></p><p><strong>Youngest:</strong></p><p>Halfling Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con</p><p>Halfling Wyrmling Copper Weredragon: +5 HD, +0 Str, +2 Con</p><p>Human Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con</p><p>Human Very Young Copper Weredragon: +8 HD, +2 Str, +2 Con</p><p>Cloud Giant Very Young Red Weredragon: +10 HD, +10 Str, +6 Con</p><p>Cloud Giant Young Adult Copper Weredragon: +17 HD, +8 Str, +6 Con</p><p></p><p><strong>Oldest:</strong></p><p>Halfling Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con</p><p>Halfling Juvenile Copper Weredragon: +14 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con</p><p>Human Juvenile Red Weredragon: +16 HD, +18 Str, +8 Con</p><p>Human Adult Copper Weredragon: +20 HD, +12 Str, +8 Con</p><p>Cloud Giant Wyrm Red Weredragon: +37 HD, +30 Str, +20 Con</p><p>Cloud Giant Great Wyrm Copper Weredragon: +38 HD, +26 Str, +16 Con</p><p></p><p>Hmm, that introduces an additional wrinkle that the smaller dragons may produce stronger weredragons since they have to be in older age categories. A Small base creature like the aforementioned Halfling is a lot tougher as a Juvenile Copper Weredragon than a Wyrmling Red Weredragon after all.</p><p></p><p>If we are going to go for the "all age categories" option, I would much rather let the Halfling Weredragon go all the way up to Great Wyrm than nerf its upper limit. My mental model is that weredragons might get a lot more "dragoney" as they grow older, so their humanoid forms become an increasingly trivial part of their nature.</p><p></p><p>If we keep the current "stay within LA limits" limits, I would rather keep the "within a size of any age of the base dragon" rule, like so:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 22px"><strong>Creating a Weredragon</strong></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Size and Type:</strong> The base creature's type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype plus any subtypes possessed by the base dragon.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="color: red">The base creature must be within one size category the base dragon can grow to, including sizes of age categories without Level Adjustments. For example, a weredragon with the Medium sized juvenile copper dragon as its base dragon can be from Diminutive to Colossal in size, ranging from one size smaller than the Tiny copper wyrmling up to one size bigger than a Gargantuan wyrm or great wyrm copper dragon.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9034492, member: 57383"] Yeah, it seems we were talking at cross-purposes. Urm, but post #1397 is nothing like that. If I'm understanding you rightly, that would require us to drop the "base dragon must be a LA category" idea and go back to the "all age categories are possible" approach, but with the additional wrinkle that the age category must be within a size step of the base creature. I don't care for that much. Consider a Red Weredragon. If it were a Halfing (Small) it could ONLY be a Wyrmling (Medium) under that rule, but if it were a Cloud Giant (Huge) it could be any age from Very Young (Large) up to Wyrm (Gargantuan), with only Great Wyrm (Colossal) being unavailable. Contrariwise, a Copper Weredragon could range from Wyrmling (Tiny) to Juvenile (Medium) as a Halfling and Young Adult (Large) to Great Wyrm (Gargantuan) as a Cloud Giant. A Medium sized base creature like a human or elf could be Wyrmling (Medium) to Juvenile (Large) as a Red Dragon and Very Young (Small) to Adult (Large) as a Copper Dragon. [B]Youngest:[/B] Halfling Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con Halfling Wyrmling Copper Weredragon: +5 HD, +0 Str, +2 Con Human Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con Human Very Young Copper Weredragon: +8 HD, +2 Str, +2 Con Cloud Giant Very Young Red Weredragon: +10 HD, +10 Str, +6 Con Cloud Giant Young Adult Copper Weredragon: +17 HD, +8 Str, +6 Con [B]Oldest:[/B] Halfling Wyrmling Red Weredragon: +7 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con Halfling Juvenile Copper Weredragon: +14 HD, +6 Str, +4 Con Human Juvenile Red Weredragon: +16 HD, +18 Str, +8 Con Human Adult Copper Weredragon: +20 HD, +12 Str, +8 Con Cloud Giant Wyrm Red Weredragon: +37 HD, +30 Str, +20 Con Cloud Giant Great Wyrm Copper Weredragon: +38 HD, +26 Str, +16 Con Hmm, that introduces an additional wrinkle that the smaller dragons may produce stronger weredragons since they have to be in older age categories. A Small base creature like the aforementioned Halfling is a lot tougher as a Juvenile Copper Weredragon than a Wyrmling Red Weredragon after all. If we are going to go for the "all age categories" option, I would much rather let the Halfling Weredragon go all the way up to Great Wyrm than nerf its upper limit. My mental model is that weredragons might get a lot more "dragoney" as they grow older, so their humanoid forms become an increasingly trivial part of their nature. If we keep the current "stay within LA limits" limits, I would rather keep the "within a size of any age of the base dragon" rule, like so: [INDENT][SIZE=6][B]Creating a Weredragon[/B][/SIZE][/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR=blue][B]Size and Type:[/B] The base creature's type does not change, but the creature gains the shapechanger subtype plus any subtypes possessed by the base dragon.[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR=blue][COLOR=red]The base creature must be within one size category the base dragon can grow to, including sizes of age categories without Level Adjustments. For example, a weredragon with the Medium sized juvenile copper dragon as its base dragon can be from Diminutive to Colossal in size, ranging from one size smaller than the Tiny copper wyrmling up to one size bigger than a Gargantuan wyrm or great wyrm copper dragon.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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