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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 9138931" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>Okay, the easiest approach is to use the usual ability -10/11 rule for the default size (the largest size it can assume) and then have the smaller sizes apply standard modifiers for size category changes.</p><p></p><p>Well, not entirely standard. We decided not to use the normal Dexterity adjustments for size since the SRD True Dragons don't alter their Dex scores as they age.</p><p></p><p>Let's see how that would work:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Human Warrior Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Brass Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Medium Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 13, Dex 10, Con 10</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 17, Dex 10, Con 12</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 21, Dex 10, Con 14</span>, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Gnome Young Gold Weredragon</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Gnome Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Young Gold Stats:</strong> Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Small Humanoid Form:</strong> Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 13, Dex 10, Con 14</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 17, Dex 10, Con 16</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 25, Dex 10, Con 20</span>, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Storm Giant Stats:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Wyrmling Copper Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Huge Giant Form:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 23, Dex 14, Con 13</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 27, Dex 14, Con 15</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 31, Dex 14, Con 17</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 39, Dex 14, Con 21</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 47, Dex 14, Con 25</span>, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong><span style="font-size: 18px">Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon</span></strong></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Base Stats:</strong> Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Storm Giant Stats:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: blue"><strong>Young Gold Stats:</strong> Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Huge Giant Form:</strong> Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 45, Dex 14, Con 25</span>, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><strong>Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:</strong> <span style="color: magenta">Str 53, Dex 14, Con 29</span>, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21</p><p></p><p>Hmm, those numbers look more-or-less OK to me.</p><p></p><p>The Tiny Storm Giant Copper Weredragon is ridiculously strong for its size, but that might be a feature more than a bug.</p><p></p><p>I'd be inclined to drop the Constitution adjustments for size, since it'd be fiddly having to adjust the weredragon's Fort saving throw as it shrinks or grows.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 9138931, member: 57383"] Okay, the easiest approach is to use the usual ability -10/11 rule for the default size (the largest size it can assume) and then have the smaller sizes apply standard modifiers for size category changes. Well, not entirely standard. We decided not to use the normal Dexterity adjustments for size since the SRD True Dragons don't alter their Dex scores as they age. Let's see how that would work: [indent][b][size=5]Human Wyrmling Brass Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Human Warrior Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Wyrmling Brass Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 10, Wis 11, Cha 10[/COLOR] [b]Medium Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 13, Dex 10, Con 10[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 17, Dex 10, Con 12[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 21, Dex 10, Con 14[/COLOR], Int 12, Wis 11, Cha 10 [b][size=5]Gnome Young Gold Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 13, Dex 11, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Gnome Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 9, Cha 8 [b]Young Gold Stats:[/b] Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16[/COLOR] [b]Small Humanoid Form:[/b] Str 11, Dex 11, Con 14, Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 13, Dex 10, Con 14[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 17, Dex 10, Con 16[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 25, Dex 10, Con 20[/COLOR], Int 16, Wis 15, Cha 14 [b][size=5]Storm Giant Wyrmling Copper Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11 [b]Storm Giant Stats:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15 [b]Wyrmling Copper Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 13, Int 12, Wis 13, Cha 12[/COLOR] [b]Huge Giant Form:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Tiny Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 23, Dex 14, Con 13[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Small Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 27, Dex 14, Con 15[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Medium Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 31, Dex 14, Con 17[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 39, Dex 14, Con 21[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b]Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 47, Dex 14, Con 25[/COLOR], Int 18, Wis 22, Cha 17 [b][size=5]Storm Giant Young Gold Weredragon[/size][/b] [COLOR=blue][b]Base Stats:[/b] Str 11, Dex 10, Con 11, Int 10, Wis 10, Cha 11 [b]Storm Giant Stats:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 16, Wis 20, Cha 15 [b]Young Gold Stats:[/b] Str 25, Dex 10, Con 17, Int 16, Wis 17, Cha 16[/COLOR] [b]Huge Giant Form:[/b] Str 39, Dex 14, Con 23, Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21 [b]Large Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 45, Dex 14, Con 25[/COLOR], Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21 [b]Huge Dragon/Hybrid Form:[/b] [COLOR=magenta]Str 53, Dex 14, Con 29[/COLOR], Int 22, Wis 26, Cha 21[/indent] Hmm, those numbers look more-or-less OK to me. The Tiny Storm Giant Copper Weredragon is ridiculously strong for its size, but that might be a feature more than a bug. I'd be inclined to drop the Constitution adjustments for size, since it'd be fiddly having to adjust the weredragon's Fort saving throw as it shrinks or grows. [/QUOTE]
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