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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 5156229" data-attributes="member: 57383">Just to be clear, you're suggesting:Spell-Like Abilities: At-will - read thoughts, 3/day - hypnotism  (DC14), suggestion (DC16), 1/day - dominate person (DC18),  mass suggestion (DC19). Caster level 12th, the save DCs are  Charisma-based.That looks reasonable to me.Shall we move on to its melee abilities?The original plant has 4-12 tendrils which can club for 1d6 damage or constrict for 1d4 which it can use to transfer prey to its mouth where they take 1d3 spines + 1 acid damage per round. The mouth doesn't seem to do bite damage, but there's precedent for that.So, 4 tendrils with Improved Grab, Constrict and Swallow Whole?The tendrils can be severed - copy the SRD Giant Octopus's tentacle-severing?I think we'd better increase the Swallow Whole damage quite a bit. 1d6 piercing plus 1d6 acid?It's mobile, but very slow - speed 10 ft?The original monster's tendrils and mouth are AC5, the trunk AC3 and the head AC1. I'd average it to AC3 and convert that to an AD&D AC of 17-18.Putting it together, I'm getting something like this:HelbornLarge PlantHit Dice: 8d8+32 (68 hp)Initiative: +1Speed: 10 ft. (2 squares)Armor Class: 17 (-1 size, +1 Dex, +7 natural) touch 10, flat-footed 16Base Attack/Grapple: +6/+15Attack: Tendril +11 melee (1d6+5)Full Attack: 4-12 tendrils +11 melee (1d6+5)Space/Reach: 10 ft./10 ft.Special Attacks: Constrict 1d4+5, improved grab, spell-like abilities, swallow wholeSpecial Qualities: Low-light vision, plant traits, spell resistance CR+7, telepathy 60 ft.Saves: Fort +10, Ref +3, Will +5Abilities: Str 20, Dex 13, Con 18, Int 7, Wis 13, Cha 16Skills: Bluff +6* (+10 with telepathy), Hide +1* (+9 in  undergrowth), Listen  +5, Spot +5Feats: Power Attack, Iron Will, Weapon Focus (tendril)Environment: Warm swampsOrganization: SolitaryChallenge Rating: ?Treasure: Standard ?Alignment: Always neutral evil ?Advancement: 9-11 HD (Large), 12-17 HD (Huge), 18-24 HD (Gargantuan)Level Adjustment: —CombatHelborn attack with their tendrils, which they use to  crush opponents before attempting to swallow them. Each plant has one  tendril for every 2 Hit Dice it possesses, and can attack with all of them simultaneously with a full attack. A helborn can attack a Small or Man-sized opponent with up to four tendrils, a Tiny opponent with two, and a Diminutive or smaller opponent with only one tendril. Opponents can attack a helborn's tendrils with a sunder attempt as if they were weapons. A helborn's tendrils have 10  hit points each. If a helborn is currently grappling a target with the tendril that is being attacked, it usually uses  another limb to make its attack of opportunity against the opponent making the sunder attempt.  Severing one of a helborn's tendrils deals 5 points of damage to  the creature. A helborn usually withdraws from combat if it loses two  tendrils. The creature regrows severed limbs in 1d10+10 days. Constrict (Ex): A helborn deals 1d4+5 points of damage with a successful grapple check. Improved Grab (Ex): To use this ability, a helborn must hit an opponent of any size  with a tentacle attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity. If it wins the grapple check, it establishes a hold and can constrict and swallow whole. Spell-Like Abilities: At-will - read thoughts, 3/day - hypnotism   (DC14), suggestion (DC16), 1/day - dominate person  (DC18),  mass suggestion (DC19). Caster level 12th, the save DCs are  Charisma-based. Swallow Whole (Ex): A helborn can try to swallow a grabbed opponent of a smaller size than itself by making a successful grapple check. Once inside, the  opponent takes 1d6+5 points of crushing damage per round plus 1d6 points of acid damage. A swallowed  creature can cut its way out by dealing 20 points of damage to the plant's interior (AC 13). Once the creature exits, muscular action  close the hole; another swallowed opponent must cut its own way out. A Large helborn's interior can hold 2 Medium, 8 Small, 32 Tiny or 128 Diminutive  smaller creatures.Skills: *A hellborn has a +12 racial bonus on Hide checks when amongst undergrowth. *A hellborn has a +4 circumstance bonus on Bluff checks when using its telepathy to communicate.</blockquote>

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