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Message: <blockquote data-quote="freyar" data-source="post: 4997094" data-attributes="member: 40227">Invisibility doesn't actually give a +20 bonus to Hide, though, if I'm reading the rules correctly, only effectively by making it hard to Spot -- no Hide check needed, it's a flat DC.So a +10 bonus gives an average Disguise check of 20 with no ranks or Cha bonus.  That's the same as the easiest Spot check to notice an invisible creature is around.  So we need to ask ourselves if that's what we want, or do we want the DC to be closer to an invisible creature holding still (DC 30).    And we can adjust ranks, add another racial bonus to Disguise, etc.As for the type of bonus, I think Shade is saying that taburs are racially good at feigning death, not that the Su ability is improving their ability to Disguise themselves.  But I could really see any of these bonus types.</blockquote>