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<blockquote data-quote="CleverNickName" data-source="post: 5976334" data-attributes="member: 50987">Indeed.&nbsp; But they are not the only ones who know what they are talking about.&nbsp; I think I have a fairly good grasp of game balance and design, and even so, I tend to choose character options more for their flavor and panache, than for their bonuses.&nbsp; Sure, Thor is a &quot;more awesome&quot; god with better domains and favored weapon, but Loki's got style, man. Generally speaking, a lot of people are also aware of how powerful various choices int he game are, and choose other options instead.Magic: the Gathering is a poor choice for comparison because it is a head-to-head, competitive game, and Dungeons and Dragons is not.&nbsp; There is a high incentive to build a better deck than the other players, for example, but there is no incentive whatsoever to build a better character than the other players.&nbsp; You don't &quot;win the game&quot; in D&amp;D because your character is awesome; you simply have fun.&nbsp; And contrary to popular belief, you can have loads of fun with a sub-optimal character build.You are right; I am defining &quot;specialist&quot; as &quot;someone who excels at something,&quot; not necessarily weapons or combat.&nbsp; The implication is that there are things that rogues, etc., can do that no other class can do...I would like to see that in the fighter.&nbsp; (Beyond the fighter-only feats, anyway.)I'm not &quot;neglecting&quot; the other classes that use weapons.&nbsp; I'm just saying that not every class should be specialists in weaponry.&nbsp; Learning to use a weapon is not the same thing as devoting one's life to mastering it.Hated by whom?&nbsp; It's actually the most popular class with my 3.5E gaming group (and my personal favorite besides.)&nbsp; I don't want to get into an edition war over it, but the wuxia-style fighter of 4th Edition seems to be the most widely hated version in my neck of the woods...hence the use of weapon specialization instead of at will/encounter/daily powers.&nbsp; But to each his own, and all that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CleverNickName, post: 5976334, member: 50987"] Indeed. But they are not the only ones who know what they are talking about. I think I have a fairly good grasp of game balance and design, and even so, I tend to choose character options more for their flavor and panache, than for their bonuses. Sure, Thor is a "more awesome" god with better domains and favored weapon, but Loki's got [I]style,[/I] man. Generally speaking, a lot of people are also aware of how powerful various choices int he game are, and choose other options instead. Magic: the Gathering is a poor choice for comparison because it is a head-to-head, competitive game, and Dungeons and Dragons is not. There is a high incentive to build a better deck than the other players, for example, but there is no incentive whatsoever to build a better character than the other players. You don't "win the game" in D&D because your character is awesome; you simply have fun. And contrary to popular belief, you can have loads of fun with a sub-optimal character build. You are right; I am defining "specialist" as "someone who excels at something," not necessarily weapons or combat. The implication is that there are things that rogues, etc., can do that no other class can do...I would like to see that in the fighter. (Beyond the fighter-only feats, anyway.) I'm not "neglecting" the other classes that use weapons. I'm just saying that not every class should be specialists in weaponry. Learning to use a weapon is not the same thing as devoting one's life to mastering it. Hated by whom? It's actually the most popular class with my 3.5E gaming group (and my personal favorite besides.) I don't want to get into an edition war over it, but the wuxia-style fighter of 4th Edition seems to be the most widely hated version in my neck of the woods...hence the use of weapon specialization instead of at will/encounter/daily powers. But to each his own, and all that. [/QUOTE]

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