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<blockquote data-quote="Nail" data-source="post: 2641357" data-attributes="member: 224"><p>I don't remember seeing the previous discussion, but generally the rules answer would be: "there is no rule for this". You <em>can</em> try to deconstruct the price of the celestial chainmail....and you will often be left with wacky results. </p><p></p><p>Celestial chainmail (22,400gp) has more than just "mithril properties". It has: <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+3 Armor AC bonus (9,000gp property),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a maximum Dexterity bonus of +8 (4 more than mithril chainmail),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">an armor check penalty of –2 (reduced by 3, same as mithril chainmail), </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">an arcane spell failure chance of 15% (5% better than mithril chainmail),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">is considered light armor (same as mithril chainmail),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">the wearer can fly on command (as the spell) once per day(3*5*1800gp*1/5=5,400gp property),</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> and the wearer must be good (perhaps meaning a 30% discount on market price)</li> </ul><p></p><p>As the prerequisites do NOT require a set of mithril chainmail, the armor should be priced based on a regular ole masterwork Chainmail (300gp). Then we add the armor's three "abilities": <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">+3 enhancement bonus to armor,</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> <em>Fly</em> 1 day at CL 5 (5,400gp), and</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> Max dex of armor increases by 6, ACP reduced by 3, ASF reduced by 15%, treat as light armor (best guess at price of this ability is 10,000gp).</li> </ul><p></p><p>Then we just add it all up, giving the two lesser costing abilities a 1.5 multiplier as they are being added to a "slotted" item. Then take off the 30% discount for the magic item only being useful to Good creatures.</p><p></p><p>150gp (chain) + 150gp (MW) + [10,000gp(Max Dex, etc) + 1.5 * 9,000gp (+3 AC) + 1.5 * 5,400gp (fly)] * 70% </p><p></p><p>= 22,420gp Market Price</p><p></p><p>......which is close enough to the DMG price to call it even.</p><p></p><p>SIMPLIFIED BOTTOM LINE: It's quite possible that a Celestial Breastplate, with a +3 enhancement bonus to armor AC, the ability to fly 1/day, and (Max Dex of <u>+9</u>, ACP of <u>-1</u>, ASF <u>10%</u>, treat as light armor) is only 50gp more than the Chainmail version.</p><p></p><p>Cool, huh? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>Then again, why would anyone ever get the chainmail (DMG, core) version, if this were so? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Nail, post: 2641357, member: 224"] I don't remember seeing the previous discussion, but generally the rules answer would be: "there is no rule for this". You [i]can[/i] try to deconstruct the price of the celestial chainmail....and you will often be left with wacky results. Celestial chainmail (22,400gp) has more than just "mithril properties". It has:[list][*]+3 Armor AC bonus (9,000gp property), [*]a maximum Dexterity bonus of +8 (4 more than mithril chainmail), [*]an armor check penalty of –2 (reduced by 3, same as mithril chainmail), [*]an arcane spell failure chance of 15% (5% better than mithril chainmail), [*]is considered light armor (same as mithril chainmail), [*]the wearer can fly on command (as the spell) once per day(3*5*1800gp*1/5=5,400gp property), [*] and the wearer must be good (perhaps meaning a 30% discount on market price)[/list] As the prerequisites do NOT require a set of mithril chainmail, the armor should be priced based on a regular ole masterwork Chainmail (300gp). Then we add the armor's three "abilities":[list][*]+3 enhancement bonus to armor, [*] [i]Fly[/i] 1 day at CL 5 (5,400gp), and [*] Max dex of armor increases by 6, ACP reduced by 3, ASF reduced by 15%, treat as light armor (best guess at price of this ability is 10,000gp).[/list] Then we just add it all up, giving the two lesser costing abilities a 1.5 multiplier as they are being added to a "slotted" item. Then take off the 30% discount for the magic item only being useful to Good creatures. 150gp (chain) + 150gp (MW) + [10,000gp(Max Dex, etc) + 1.5 * 9,000gp (+3 AC) + 1.5 * 5,400gp (fly)] * 70% = 22,420gp Market Price ......which is close enough to the DMG price to call it even. SIMPLIFIED BOTTOM LINE: It's quite possible that a Celestial Breastplate, with a +3 enhancement bonus to armor AC, the ability to fly 1/day, and (Max Dex of [u]+9[/u], ACP of [u]-1[/u], ASF [u]10%[/u], treat as light armor) is only 50gp more than the Chainmail version. Cool, huh? ;) Then again, why would anyone ever get the chainmail (DMG, core) version, if this were so? :) [/QUOTE]
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