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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dr_nukem" data-source="post: 273158" data-attributes="member: 2253">So you're saying that you wouldn't allow a limited save item to be created to help the FB make their Will save?  Thank you for your opinion.Is the creation of said item possible?  Would if follow the bonus squared * 250 rule?A item that increases the FB's wisdom would help, adding 1, 2, or maybe 3 points to the check.  The same applies to a cloak of resistance.  Both of those items become quite expensive at higher bonuses.Also, you're not removing the weakness of the PrC.  You are lessening one of the weaknesses.  There is still a good chance to fail the Will DC to both stop the frenzy and not go into one of you're hit.  A 7th level character could easily meet the pre-reqs for FB and only have a Will save of +1 based on his class advancements (Bar 2, Fig 4, FB 1).  A +10 item would still give a 40% chance of failure to stop the frenzy...Plus, there are other weaknesses to the FB PrC besides the inability to stop the frenzy...like the -4 AC, the subdual damage, the exhaustion penalties for after the frenzy is over...but the attacking your allies IS the big one...I agree the FB should start trying to make the Will save (DC 20) immediately upon defeating his opponents.  Heck, if he's worried, he should be attempting to stop the frenzy BEFORE his last opponent drops.The double move is an option, as long as the FB isn't able to charge directly at the other PCs.  Also, don't forget that the FB get's an extra attack every round (similar to haste).  So, even if the PC doublemoves away, the FB could charge, attack, then attack again with his free frenzied attack.Slight tangent there.  Any other comments on the save type or the specific magic item?</blockquote>

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